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12-24-2008 11:55 PM  8 years agoPost 41
TRex4life

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It is a bit late prolly...I will agree with the above statements, the 450 is a Very Hard heli to learn on...Whats harder? A Blade CP, buttttt I will say this the blade CP was such a fun heli to fly on, it really taught me to stay on the controls, how to be more in tune with whats going on with the bigger helis and the crash price/fix time was very very very low.

I'd almost reccomend you buying a used CP that flys.

Other than that, I just picked up a BlueRay 450PE edition and a full tool kit for 380 shipped, it is a full metal 450 size heli and parts are full interchangeable with a trex450.

it's at http://www.xheli.com/exrc2450sert.html

and heres a video of the stability....I remind you this heli comes 100% built and ready to fly in minutes out of the box.

So its full metal, interchangeable parts if you crash, and it comes with a presetup 2.4ghz radio. AWESOME

Video RIGHT OUT of the box:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPOvJ1Qe7UY

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12-25-2008 02:02 AM  8 years agoPost 42
Spitfire1

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Just my two Bob.

I supect many of these guys that say the 600e is powerless, have gone from owning a 450 rocketship and wondering why there 600e aint as punchy and nimble as there Trex 450, sure the 500 trex is a hell of a lot more punchy than the 600, also I sometimes wonder if they are useing the stock 10t pinion, with 11t the difference is huge.
I wouldent even say a 500 is inbetween a 450 and a 600, its closer too a 450.
I had a Trex 450 over maybe 4 years ago one of the real old style ones (XL I think) with moulded plastic frames and its rate of climb when I hit full collective was mindboggleing, much more powerfull than any of my 50 nitros have ever been, 600e or 500 size heli.
My 500 heli makes my 600e seem sedate in all out power terms, but its just not that simple, you need to see a 600 fly, its the way it flys, the presence and even the sound of those 600 blades is awsome.

AS DKshema pointed out you can get good packs from Hobbyking, 6s 5000 30c for $138. Maybe I maight get an earbashing for saying this but in my experience they have more punch than Flightpower packs and are basicly the same as Outrage packs.
I dont know how the exchange rate works but in AUS dollars the zippys come to about $160, the Outrage cost $340 and Im pretty sure last I looked the Flightpower packs are $370....
The only problem I have with the Trex 500 is that it costs too much for a 500 size heli.
If your worried about the trex600 being underpowerd, ask yourself would you be worried about a trex600 nitro with an OS50 hyper being underpowered??? because there about the same, and I never here anyone complaining about there 600 nitros not haveing enough power.

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12-25-2008 02:17 AM  8 years agoPost 43
whyfly

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I have both 600e and 600n stock 600e had more punch only in the first 3mins or so but 8s set up was great 5 mins tic toc all day long and the new 600 esp seems to be alot better than the old 600 I got to fly one to day all I can say its a sweet heli nothing like the old 600.

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12-25-2008 02:34 AM  8 years agoPost 44
Spitfire1

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I just love em

Ive had a 600e GF about 6 months and its like Im in a completely different hobby to what ive been involved in the last few years.

Just cant get over how reliable it is.

Plug it in and fly then charge up the packs and fly again.

The hobby for me over last few years has been 90 percent problem solveing, 10 percent test flying to see if the problem has gone only to find out something else is wrong..

With my 600e I fly it nearly every day weather permitting, and never had one thing go wrong, how much better can you get.

((one caviet , my stock 75 amp speedy burst into flames a couple of days ago, this is the first prob ive ever had in 6 months, autod down ok heli is fine just need new speedy and motor, I was amazed the heli was not completely destroyed due to the amount of fire spewing out, but its just covered in charcoal.... If you look it from one side it looks like the CF version.......))

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12-25-2008 04:50 AM  8 years agoPost 45
dkshema

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AS you can clearly see, there is no one answer, and there is no correct answer.

Buy what you wish, and learn to fly it.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

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12-25-2008 06:19 AM  8 years agoPost 46
whyfly

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I was wrong the 450 is a sweet heli I looked back on my old post looking back on my 450 I learned how to fly yes fly parts are cheap 325 pro wood blades rock with my poly 4 and my 8 packs I would fly before work my breaks after work so yes rock 450 but to get to the next level 500 will get you there.

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12-25-2008 10:54 AM  8 years agoPost 47
TRex4life

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You don't need a 500 to get anywhere.

Blade CP is the best trainer, next i'd reccomend the heli I just got 380 with toolset shipped for a trex clone V2.

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12-25-2008 02:33 PM  8 years agoPost 48
blade slayer

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t rex 500 is the way to go, it is very stable out the box and good size ,not too big not too small,i have every size and i think the 500 is the best begginers size heli

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12-25-2008 03:41 PM  8 years agoPost 49
Mike66

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I sipped from the same vat of Kool-Aid on another forum concerning the a first heli and the "natural" progression. Everyone likely had good intentions, but I was too far gone before I realized that it was a bunch of tribal crap. Unfortunately, there is no one-size-fits-all answer and you must decide what is best for you.

I have a great sim and after wasting a LOT of time on fixed-pitch helis, I received some buddy-box time on a Raptor 50. The same day I ordered a 500CF kit and everything to fly it. A week later, I bought a used ready to fly 600E that had lots of spare parts. I have been flying the 600E ever since and the 500 is still in the original box. I might put it together this winter.

My flying skills progressed faster in two weeks with the 600E than they did in the previous two months with the small helis. Wind ceased being a factor and the inherent stability of the larger rotor disc meant that I was not fighting the heli. The other helis have not been touched since June and when I get tired of looking at them, I will sell them or send them to Bagram.

I still have all of the spare parts because I have not crashed. I do not fly like Curtis Youngblood or Jason Krause, nor do I want to. I do not fly beyond my capabilities, yet I still have a lot of fun and fly almost every day.

Pick a model in the sim that you think you will ultimately buy and fly the rotors off of it. When you are ready to buy a heli, think long-term and the total cost of ownership. This includes progression (if any), parts, fuel (batteries or nitro), charger, tools, etc. You must also consider where you will be flying so you can match the heli to the environment.

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12-25-2008 05:06 PM  8 years agoPost 50
whyfly

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Bottom line we all pick are path which heli how we want to fly skill level on & on & & on did some one say raptor 50 my first 50 nitro learned alot from this heli.

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12-25-2008 05:41 PM  8 years agoPost 51
Lojik

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Thank you all for helping me out in this decision, I am still on the wall but have brought the decision down to the 450SE-V2 or 600ESP.

My pros and cons for both are:

PRO's:

450
Lower start up costs, (Roughly NZ$600 Less overall including electronics)
Lower repair costs, (Roughly 25% less than the 600 on average per crash)
Can be used in a smaller space (Minor Pro)
Extra Batteries are roughly 1/3 price of the 600 meaning more back to back flights.
Natural progression, although it may take longer, once I have learned to control the 450 at intermediate standard moving onto a 600 will be a natural and easy progression.

600
Increased stability which leads to an easier learning curve
*Bling* factor, had to be said, the 600 does look like a mean machine and when I intend to go scale that has it benefits.
Increased size will mean more flights in windy conditions even while learning.

CON's:

450
Smaller size will mean that the Heli is inherently less stable the its bigger brother, but that can be a Pro if you consider it will teach me more about stick control than the 600.
Higher learning curve, same as above and again could be rewarding in the end.
Will not be able to fly easily in windy conditions and may need to wait till its a calm day.

600
Increased cost for start up and repairs over the little one.
Will only be able to fly it at the field, although I should be able to do hover practice in the yard.
Battery costs are 3 times higher than the 450 meaning I won't be having many back to back sessions with the 600 (yet)

Reason for leaving the 500 out of my choice
I have decided to put aside the 500 for 1 main reason. The cost to start up and maintain the 500 is only 5% less than the 600. That's down here in NZ so it may be different in other countries.

Thanks for all you input and keep it coming. If you have any more Pro's or Cons to add to my list please just shout them out.

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12-25-2008 06:48 PM  8 years agoPost 52
TRex4life

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Alright, I agree with everybody here...However the one I was talking about is EVERYTHING you see in the picture, completely 100% RTF outta the box, runs flawlessly in the air, MINOR qaurks as all new helis, but trimming only. It was $380 shipped for everything you see in the picture, all CNC machined parts, all Trex compatible, and comes with a 2.4GHZ radio and carbon fiber blades as well as fiberglass body and the tool kit with allen wrenches, pitch gauge, ball disconnector.

May be worth a shot if you just wanna try out the sport without investing a grand just to realize it's not for you. A lot of people see em fly, want one, then spend a lot, realize they aren't easy at all to fly and unload while losing half a thousand on their investment.

Let us know what you choose!



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12-25-2008 07:00 PM  8 years agoPost 53
ch-47c

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I would seriously consider the size for repairs. The 450 has tiny hardware in some ares like a wrist watch. The 600 has conventional size hardware and more space to work within. Sometimes just starting a screw or nut in a tiny space can get frustrating. This may not bother you or most guys, but my buddy and I hate it when repairing our 400 size helis. The 600 size are easy to work on and to be honest the 600e has a low parts count.

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12-25-2008 07:14 PM  8 years agoPost 54
whyfly

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Think crash cost 450 blades pro wood around $15 600e cheap blades around $65 if your lucky what you spend on blades for the 600 would get in the air and spare and maybe some bling for the coast of blades for the 600 I should know I just picked up some curtis SB for $99.00

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12-25-2008 08:14 PM  8 years agoPost 55
Lojik

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@TRex4life

Thanks for taking the time to show me this kit, although I would have to agree the cost is nice and the overall value for money is good, but it is not what I'm looking for currently. The cost if US$380 shipped, that's about NZ$680 with my banks exchange rate, now NZ is pretty strict on Duty and GST so in total it would cost me NZ$800 to bring this kit in.

The 450SEV2 Kit Combo here costs NZ$780, and I wouldn't need anything else on top except a lipo charger as I already own a 7Ch radio with receiver.

Sorry if I was slightly unclear, I am not 100% starting out in the hobby, I Have flown a few fixed pitch's models and Planks before I moved down south. I would still class myself as a beginner but I definitely know that I want to get into this hobby.

If I didn't have a radio I would definitely jump on a RTF option like the one you posted but I'm looking for a kit to build myself.

One of the thing I love to do other than fly RC Models is build them, and although most of the Trex kits come 80% pre-built there is still a margin of building involved.

Also being in NZ I would like to buy a T-rex kit from my local hobby store, supporting my local hobby shop allowing them to prosper and bring more kits and gear into the country for us.

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12-25-2008 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 56
TRex4life

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Oh snappp,,,Sorry man I didn't know you were in USA...Well let me know what you end up getting...I have a video of me flying this in a small room, so you can see the SOMEwhat stability of one in a room. The bigger 500/600 helis don't really get affeeted by wind and what not...Let me know I can post the vid.

You are right, as of the build...I have built 2 trex kits, it takes well i'm not fast, about 8 hours from box to first text hover...You install the main rotor, tail system, put in all the servers, gyro, esc, motor, wire it all up, get all your pitch curves setup, setup the tail system, and give her a spool

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12-25-2008 08:43 PM  8 years agoPost 57
Rennster

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450.....
cheaper parts...cheaper to maintain...with a good headspeed you can fly it in winds up to 20 mph

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12-26-2008 01:22 AM  8 years agoPost 58
Spitfire1

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Lojic.

Those Trex 450v2 kits are nice looking helis. but there pretty damn expensive machines, if thats what you want to get thats great, I havent done the math on it, but I would of thought a GF 600e Rex would be a cheaper option..

Like I say havent actually added it up but there wouldent be much in it.

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12-26-2008 01:55 AM  8 years agoPost 59
Ken4

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ch-47c
I would seriously consider the size for repairs. The 450 has tiny hardware in some ares like a wrist watch.
Almost everything is easily acessible on the 450seV2 except for the plastic nuts that mount the servos from behind. But I figured out a way to mount them easily. I use bluetack on my hex driver and stick it on and reach from behind, and now installation and removal is easy as pie. I am definately alot quicker fixing my 450seV2 than my 50size.

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12-26-2008 03:00 AM  8 years agoPost 60
Lojik

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Lojic.

Those Trex 450v2 kits are nice looking helis. but there pretty damn expensive machines, if thats what you want to get thats great, I havent done the math on it, but I would of thought a GF 600e Rex would be a cheaper option..

Like I say havent actually added it up but there wouldent be much in it.
Hmm you have a point so lets find out

Taking prices from my local shop and not including Tx, Rx or Charger as there going to be the same no matter what model.

450SEV2
Trex 450SEv2 Combo Kit - NZ$779
-T-REX 450SE V2 Kits SetX1 set
-325 3K Carbon Rotor BladeX1 set
-Aluminum CaseX1
-RCE-BL35X 35A Brushless ESC(Govener Mode)X1
-430XL Brushless motor(3700KV)X1
-3S1P 11.1V 2100mAh/22CX1
Futaba 401 Gyro - NZ$249
HP-DS12GCP ATLAS DIGITAL Heli SERVO - Hyperion - NZ$59
HS-65MG Hitec Micro Servo x 3 - NZ$219
Total Cost - NZ$1297

600GF
T-REX 600 GF Kit Combo - NZ$745
-T-REX 600(GF) Kits SetX1 set(w/o main blade)
-Fiberglass CanopyX1
-StickerX1
-3D Landing SkidX1
-RCE-BL75G 75A Brushless ESC(Govener Mode)X1
-600XL Brushless motorX1
-REC-B3X External BECX1
-5.1V Step-Down Voltage RegulatorX1
-Li-Polymer 7.4V 1900mAh 12C For BECX1
GY401 Heli Gyro w/S9254 - NZ$379
Futaba 9252 Servo x 3 - NZ$390
Air Thunder 5000mAh/6S1P/25C - NZ$370
600B Glass Fiber Blades - NZ$80
Total Cost - NZ$1964

Damn and I only guessed on my last post but its pretty much going to be $600-700 more to outfit a 600GF over a 450SEV2.

Probably got allot of that wrong with choices of equipment so please correct me if I did.

L

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