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T-REX 450 › Which Trex for a beginner and why? Radio Chosen,​SIM Chosen, Kit Chosen, Servos/Rx ?
12-24-2008 07:22 AM  8 years agoPost 21
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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I only get 4.30 minutes flying my trex 600 on 6s..

So yeah it certainly does lose most of its punch after the first 4 minutes, about 85 percent of it. ESC voltage cutof hits in between 5 to 6 minutes, depending how many times I botch it all up and bog the rotor... which is rather frequently at the moment.

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12-24-2008 07:31 AM  8 years agoPost 22
whyfly

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On my 600e 8s I fly hard 6mins I could fly longer but 6mins is good for me 500 I get 5mins on a 6s set up

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12-24-2008 03:22 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Lojik

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600 E?

There was allot of talk that the 600E wasn't that good, is this so or is it just ramblings from people who don't actually own one.

the T-REX 600 ESP Kit Combo in NZ is exactly the same price as the 500 ESP Kit combo, so for me the start up cost would be very similar, OK servo's and electronics may be slightly higher but it would be nice to know the main differences between flying a 450, 500 and 600 size machine for a beginner.

Maybe its time for me to start listing the benefits and downsides of learning to fly on the 450,500 and 600.

Of course blade costs are going to be allot more with the 600 than with the 500 and less again with the 450;
Stability will be higher with the 600 over the 500 and again over the 450;
Start up costs much higher on the 600 and 500 over the 450;

What about general part costs, I was looking at what they cost down here and the 450 is roughly 25% cheaper than the 600 in parts and the 500 is only roughly 5% cheaper. To get a better idea what the repair cost difference is can someone tell me:

What parts are the most common to break other than blades when learning to fly.?

Are there any other benefits of flying a 450 or 500 over the 600 other than cost of repairs?

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12-24-2008 03:32 PM  8 years agoPost 24
littleheli

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Cost of 6 cell Li Po batteries for the 600 are alot higher than the 500.

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12-24-2008 03:57 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Lojik

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Cost of 6 cell Li Po batteries for the 600 are alot higher than the 500.
I'm looking at roughly half the cost for 450 batteries over the 600 and 500, not to sure about the 600 though, from what I can tell they use similar batteries to the 500. can anyone clarify what sort of bats will be needed for each model?

If care is taken with the batteries, how long do they last?

What situations can a battery fail or be destoyed?

Whats the likelihood of a battery dieing on me as a beginner flier, and is there a difference between that likelihood when flying a 600 over a 450 or 500?

L

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12-24-2008 04:02 PM  8 years agoPost 26
WEFlyer

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Lojik asked:
Are there any other benefits of flying a 450 or 500 over the 600 other than cost of repairs?
Suprisingly, I'm also looking to start to fly aircraft besides helicopters and it's interesting in that I'm getting the same responses that have been said here. Larger is more stable/predictable/does aerobatics more cleanly, etc; flies better in the wind (due to weight) and easier to see at a distance.

Smaller is better for costs and less space needed to fly. You can buy 3 to 5 batteries for 450 vs the average cost of a single 500 battery depending on how well you shop around. If you had a place to fly at lunch for both a 450 and 500, then you have maybe 18 minutes of flight time your 450 vs 6 minute of flight time for your 500 for roughly similar battery costs. But then maybe your small space has steady breeze most days at lunch so maybe the 500 would be more enjoyable to fly with the breeze and have less chance to crash.

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12-24-2008 04:05 PM  8 years agoPost 27
whyfly

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Lojik

I really hope you dont think I really dont have a 600e your really of track on your last post if really need to know what heli's I do have now its two 450 one mini titan 600e 8s set up 600pro 700 N9 and Stratus your really of track what next your going to call everyone hover kings, I know you going to ask all of to post pic's before we can post

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12-24-2008 04:07 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Ken4

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What parts are the most common to break other than blades when learning to fly.?
Basically anything can break during a crash. Impossible to say what usually breaks. The worse crash I've had with my 450seV2, hitting into solid concrete and ditching into a pool of water. Main blades, tail blades, tail shaft, tail fin, tail boom, belt, countergear, head button, grips, grip bearings, feathering shaft, dampers, flybar, paddles, main shaft, main gear, autogear, one-way sleeve, upper CF frame, lower CF frame, battery mount, servos, linkages and canopy, and electronics usually short when submerged in water. Thats what I can remember after my 9th crash today.

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12-24-2008 04:10 PM  8 years agoPost 29
littleheli

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You need alot larger capacity Li Po on the 600 due to the power demand and therefore the batteries are more expensive. Eg: Flightpower 6S-5000mAh for the 600 approx $300.00 Flightpower 6S-2500mAh for the 500 $185.00.

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12-24-2008 04:18 PM  8 years agoPost 30
Lojik

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Lojik

I really hope you dont think I really dont have a 600e your really of track on your last post if really need to know what heli's I do have now its two 450 one mini titan 600e 8s set up 600pro 700 N9 and Stratus your really of track what next your going to call everyone hover kings, I know you going to ask all of to post pic's before we can post
@Whyfly,

Sorry if you miss understood my post Whyfly, I wasn't talking about anyone's post in here, and defiantly not yours, I value your input.

I was just saying in general on RR there is allot of bad vibes out there for the 600E. I hope I didn't offend

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12-24-2008 04:22 PM  8 years agoPost 31
Lojik

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You need alot larger capacity Li Po on the 600 due to the power demand and therefore the batteries are more expensive. Eg: Flightpower 6S-5000mAh for the 600 approx $300.00 Flightpower 6S-2500mAh for the 500 $185.00.
Ahh I see, I wasn't sure what capacity the 600 needed, then yes your right. the 450 costs roughly NA$100 per bat here, the 500 roughly NZ$200-250 and the 600 NZ$450+. so that is defiantly going to be a clincher.

L

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12-24-2008 04:27 PM  8 years agoPost 32
dkshema

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I hesitated about buying a 500 due to battery cost. But HobbyCity/HobbyKing sells what look to be decent 5S 3300 mah LiPos for less than $75 a pop, and the 6S versions are less than $85 a pop. I have a couple of the 5S 3300s on the way for my new 500.

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12-24-2008 04:36 PM  8 years agoPost 33
Lojik

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Size Comparison

Someone posted this really nice picture of a 450,500 and 600N. Nice to be able to see what the size difference or the 3 models I am weighing up are.

The thing that really bugs me is down here in NZ the 500ESP Kit is exactly the same price as the 600ESP Kit, but looking at the picture the 600 is allot bigger, I Guess they make allot more 600 size frames and parts because of the Nitro version making it cheaper to produce / sell.

Well looking at the main break parts the 500 and 600 are very very close in cost, the 600 being only 5% higher on average.

the 450 is definitely allot cheaper than both the 500 and 600 for repairs, but I'm trying to weigh up the overall cost.

lets say I'm flying both a 450 and a 600, of course crash's are going to happen. but how much more likely am I going to crash with a 450 over a 600. this is a very big deciding factor. If I'm going to crash the 450 4 times more than the 600 due to control then the cost for repairs are roughly the same over a set period.

If my likelihood of crashing the 450 over the 600 is only 2 or 3 times then the 450 will still win the cost bracket.

I hope this is making sense.

EDITED: had the types wrong :P

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12-24-2008 04:52 PM  8 years agoPost 34
Orion_V

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Think you got the first two models wrong. The helis in the pic are a 450, 500, and 600.

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12-24-2008 05:53 PM  8 years agoPost 35
Lojik

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Sorry yer its 450,500,600.

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12-24-2008 06:57 PM  8 years agoPost 36
missle

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West Chester, Oh

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Lojik, this is what you need to do:
1. Buy a 500 along with 2 sets 3S 2500mah bats (about $80per for $320 total). This will get you started WITH TRAINING GEAR ONLY but will also get you 2 back-to-back flights. Don't go with a 4S or 5S setup and I'll explain below. Fly this setup for a week or two and save for the next bird.
2. Two weeks later, now purchase a second USED 450 SE V2. With this bird, you can now use the 2 sets of 3S 2500mah bats to be able to fly 4 back-to-back flights and start doing some forward/reverse, ect.. but still with the training gear on. Also, start saving on the next month for the next purchase.
3. Three weeks later, now start flying the 500 again with the lesson's and crashes you had with the 450.
4. Four weeks later, now purchase the 600ESP and start stick banging the hell out of it

Now you'll be able prance around these forums and try to convince some poor soul how you really think one of your 3 heli's is the "best" one

BTW, I do own a 450 (2ea), 500 (2ea), and a 600 of which they all have their own batts (cause no one told me the secret I listed above).

WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!

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12-24-2008 07:10 PM  8 years agoPost 37
docjoe

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People will always say that they should have started with a larger heli. However, a larger heli in the hands of a novice can be very dangerous. Plus, with a larger heli, you will need more room to practice. The 450 is less intimidating to fly than a 500 and especially a 600. I love my larger helis but even though my 450 is small, it does not make it less capable. Also, if you can fly a 450, you can, with confidence, fly all other helis. If you try to learn on a larger heli and then go to a 450, you'll find the experience less satisfying. If you get the 450 and then move up, going back to the 450 will be like revisiting an old friend...Merry Christmas from the other side of the world!

Joe
We haven't seen Colonel Angus around these parts for years!

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12-24-2008 09:48 PM  8 years agoPost 38
Lojik

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Merry Christmas all

I kinda have to agree docjoe with your logic on going from relatively small to large, and I guess there is the 250 when I can fly very well for that time when you need something challenging. Also coupled with the start up costs and the repair costs and also the bat costs I have to say the 450 is screaming out compared to the other choices.

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12-24-2008 10:27 PM  8 years agoPost 39
Gravitysucks

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Buy the 450 and work your way through the line-up. The 450 repair costs are definitely by far the lowest AND you're going to be repairing it AND learning about how to build heli's properly.

There's no way to really learn how to fly one of these things without alot of time visiting with mother earth. I went through a ton of parts for my 450. If it had been a 500 or 600 I would have been bankrupt by now.

The average cost to repair a 450 is about $60-80. The average cost to fix a 500 is about $125-150. The average cost to repair a 600 is about $250-300. These are just ball parks. I've had 450 crashes that cost $25, but it's usually about $80 for a good stuffing. But all those stuffings teach you about all the little idiosyncricies of building helis. Believe me, alot of the little trickes that we learn ARE NOT evident in the beginning. You have to learn by experience and you might as well get your experience as cheaply as possible.

My vote is for the 450.

Also, what's the point of having a heli that you're terrified of crashing anyway. You can't learn if your scared to death every time you take off.

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12-24-2008 11:32 PM  8 years agoPost 40
ch-47c

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I would get a 600e if you want an electric and 600n if you want nitro. Parts are relatively cheap and available. My buddy and I both have a 600e and share parts when needed until our replacements arrive. He has a 450se and 700. The 450 size helis and smaller are cheap to repair, but are a real pain to work on. The hardware is tiny and the space to work on them are tiny as well. The 600e parts are just a little more expensive, but not enough to base a descision solely upon. A lot of its parts are sold in pairs like the 450s. The 600s are very stable and easier to work on and see in flight.

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