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12-23-2008 03:08 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Lojik

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Auckland, New​Zealand

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Evening folks,

I am starting back into the hobby and need some advise with what Trex model I should go for, I have been using a SIM for roughly 6 months and a have 7Ch radio on hand.

If you fly any of the Trex range please can you state which model I should save for and why?

Also any additional equipment or parts I should consider with your above choice?

Of course stability is a major factor here as well as the inevitable crash and repair costs, although I have no problem spending the $ if it will be worth it.

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12-23-2008 03:31 PM  8 years agoPost 2
snjbird

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Kissimmee, Florida-​USA

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I vote for the 500

Lojik,

I have recommended the Trex 500 to a couple of guys who were in your position. I think the heli has a great balance of startup cost, repair cost and performance, they fly much larger than they are, I am working on my control and the 500 has nice predictable controls and can be made to fly tame, or wild, so it has room to grow. the battery's are much more reasonable than the 600 and not to terrible compared to the 450, if you can get the Zippy's they are really quit reasonable, one downfall is the blades they have no woodies, and should not, so CF or Fiberglass, they a both a little pricey!

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12-23-2008 03:35 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Skarn

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While I agree the 500 is an awesome heli and if money is not an issue, go for it....I'd recommend a 450 SE v2.

The 450 is such a nice heli and if set up properly is very stable. The biggest difference is parts/crash costs. With my 450 when I flew wooides...the average crash cost was only $30. Plus you can fly it in more areas...smaller areas.

Whichever you go with, you won't go wrong. Also check out all of the Finless Bob video's over at helifreak...they take you from build to setup to programming radio and gyro to flying.

Good luck,
Skarn

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12-23-2008 03:58 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Jag72

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South of Boston

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trex 500

I'd go for the Trex 50...wayy more stable and much easier to fly than the 450...

450 may be cheaper to crash but it's also quite abit harder to fly for a newbie due to it's small size..

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12-23-2008 04:07 PM  8 years agoPost 5
littleheli

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I agree with Jag72 the 500 is alot more stable than the 450 so hopefully you should have less crashes.

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12-23-2008 04:28 PM  8 years agoPost 6
dkshema

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If stability is a major factor, then either the 500, or the 600N. 500 is electric, 600N is nitro powered.

The 450 series, whether the SA, or the SE, SE-V2, fly nice, but stability is not something I'd associate with a 450 sized heli.

I've got a couple of older 450 X and 450 X-V2 helis, a couple of 450 SA models, and a couple of 600N helis. I have a 500 built, but am waiting for battery packs to arrive in the mail, but also for the weather here in Iowa to turn friendly again.

If it's stability you're looking for, the 600N would be my first choice, followed by the 500.

Of course, either of these, once you learn the ropes, can be tweaked to be some fierce, all out, flying machines.

Crash/repair costs for most of Align's helis is relatively inexpensive when you consider that many of the common repair items are sold with more than one in a package...

Additional parts or equipment? How long a list do you want? And are you going electric, or nitro, as the list for each is drastically different?

Are you asking about servos, gyros, and such, or support equipment?

And the all important "what kind of budget do you have?" question is important to ask, as well.

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12-23-2008 04:35 PM  8 years agoPost 7
lavi

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Haifa Israel

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+1 for Trex 500.

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12-23-2008 04:46 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Gyronut

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Martinsville In.

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If you have the coin then the 500 is the better heli to get.
Much easier to see.
Easier to fly.
More stable.

I rarely fly my 450 since I got the 500.

Rick

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12-23-2008 05:52 PM  8 years agoPost 9
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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Without any doubt, the 450 is the one to get! Not to knock the 500, but I can't believe some of you are recommending the 500 to a BEGINNER. The 450 is small enough to fly in the yard. Can't say the same for the 500 unless you have a big yard. Ability to fly in the yard will allow more stick time to improve the OP's skills faster than with a 500.

Startup cost is much higher on the 500. The parts and accessories are cheap for the 450. The 450 uses standard micro servo which are easy to find, reliable and relatively cheap. Mini servos for the 500 are limited to a few models and typically cost about twice as much.

Let's talk about batteries. Quality 2000-2200 mAh lipos for a 450 can be found for about $30 each (Hextronix Gen3 from HobbyCity). The 4S or 6S packs for the 500 are more than double that. And what happens when the inevitable crash destroys the more expensive 500 pack? More cost.

If stability is such a big issue, why not recommend the 700? I don't find any of the T-rexes to be particulary unstable. Compare a 450 with a Blade CP and you'll see what I mean. If you want stability at a reasonable cost, get a 50 nitro bird. The 600N is a good place to start.

The reason I'm pushing so hard for the 450 is because the number one reason people leave our hobby is due to its high cost, particulary associated with initial skill development. The sim is great, but it won't replace a real RC heli for skill development. Crashes are an unfortunate part of this hobby and a beginner will crash frequently - no matter how much sim time they acquire.

So for the ability to fly almost anywhere and the low cost of ownership and repair, the prize goes to the 450. That's why it is the most popular heli on the market.

Oh yea, I almost forgot - flame suite on!

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12-23-2008 06:16 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Jag72

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South of Boston

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trex...

Another big reason people leave the hobby is because they crash and get Frustrated...

I have owned and flown about every sized heli out there and through my own experience I think the 500 or larger is MUCH easier for a beginner ...

the trex 450 may be cheaper but it's also a LOT harder to fly..

the trex 500 can also be flown in a somewhat small area..

Let's face it...this is NOT a cheap hobby and if you don't have the money to spend then you need to find another hobby...if you cannot afford a larger trex 500 then the 450 is fine..but money aside...the 500 is much easier to fly and learn on for a newbie...

If money were no object I'd recommend this one....

a Flybarless Aurora....flies great and is Very stable...

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12-23-2008 06:50 PM  8 years agoPost 11
robertjp450

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West Chester, Ohio​USA

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I vote for the 500 or 600N.

As far as start up costs the 500s about a few hundred more and parts are just a few dollars more than the 450. The only increased expence is the blades. I like the 500 because it is more stable in a hover than the 450, I have both and it is much more stable. Plus the 500 is not as intimidating as the 600 for beginners. I think that is why alot of people get the 450 because its not as intimidating as the larger ones. I too have started with the 450 and like rexxingpiolet said you can fly it in the backyard which gives you more stick time but I am just now starting to learn different tricks since upgrading to the 500 since it is more stable and the tail authority is much better. If you can afford the few hundred more go with the larger heli since you will eventually go to a bigger heli and save the cost of the 450.

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12-23-2008 07:16 PM  8 years agoPost 12
docjoe

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Stockton, CA United​States

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I own all the Align helis, including a 700E.

I recommend the 450 for all the reasons mentioned above. Blade cost is the big factor. Plus you don't have to deal with the intimidation factor. Also, you can fly it anywhere as opposed to a 500 or 600 which you'll have to go to a fairly secluded place to avoid people. the 450 is more of a park flyer.

I would also say that, having learned on a 450, you can make it very stable in flight, by using flybar weights, using 335 pro wood blades (which are more than 1/4 the cost of CF blades for the 500).

I love all my Align helis and they all fly great. Larger is better but also larger incurs larger crash costs. The 600's crash costs are prohibitive for a lot of people that crash a lot. Lipos for a 3s 450 can be had for very cheap.

You will get much more flying with a 450 than any other heli. I fly my 450 at least 3-4 times a week on a normal flying week. They are the main stay of my flying. I can't fly my nitros during my lunch break as I can my Electrics.

Joe
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12-23-2008 07:22 PM  8 years agoPost 13
knightofcarnage

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chicago

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I would go with 450 v2 it is as stable as 500 if you setup RIGHT,
1) Setup heli using carbon blades for tracking etc, then use the wooden blades.
2) USE the flybar weights
3) reduce your pitch to 9/-9
4) reduce cyclic to 6
5) use some expo cyclic and tail
6) get a better landing gear, (one problem i had in the past the landing gear would give out and cause a more dmg.) atlest use screws with a nut not the self taping screws that come with it.
7)get a carbon boom (out of 30+ crash i killed 2 off them with boom striks)
8) kill switch
9) metal geared servos (MG65). save a lot of $$$ and time.
9) most import make a miniture hool hoop not traing gear. Traing gear likes to dig its self into the ground, or its acts like a spring.

Skarn is right its about $20-30 per crash with wooden blades. Most crashed parts are.
Wooden blades $13
Feathering shaft $6 per 2 so $3
Main Shaft $8 per 3 so around $2.33
Tail Shaft $8 per 2 so $4
Total $22.33 per crash.

This is what i would do with a 450 for learning howevery the guys are right bigger the heli easier to learn to fly. so got get a CRAPPY BEATER RAPTOR 30 V1 or V2 put hool hoop on it (very shameful) and just learn the basics. Then get your self a nice Trex.

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12-23-2008 07:26 PM  8 years agoPost 14
dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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If stability is such a big issue, why not recommend the 700?
Because it's a 90 powered monster, start up costs are very high, and operating costs considering the price of 30% fuel are very high. And a 90-sized ship is not really a good choice as your first heli. Repair costs are VERY high, when compared to 50 sized nitro and 500 sized electric helis.

The 450 is OK, but I've seen my share of those who have had one as their first heli. ALL who have stuck with it, when they go to a larger heli (such as a 30 powered nitro, which isn't all that much bigger than a 500) immediately comment that they wished they had bought the BIGGER machine to learn on, BECAUSE of the increased stability.

Come to think of it, a decent first heli for someone with a Futaba 7CH radio would be a Kyosho Caliber 4 and an OS 32 for power. As skills progress, change out the 32 for an OS37 and decent muffler, and start learning a range of aerobatic skills with it. Acquisition costs are low, operating costs are low, repair costs are low. And the stability of the larger heli is unquestionably there.

If the guy is truly NEW to the hobby, learning to HOVER properly does NOT consume acres of space, no matter WHAT heli you buy.

If acquisition cost is an issue, then pick up an eFlite Blade 400, it's ready to fly out of the box, of reasonable quality, and it includes a Spektrum DX6i, 2.4 GHz radio. And available for about $450. The drawback -- it's the same size as the Trex 450.

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12-23-2008 07:42 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Street Flyer

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Las Vegas, NV, USA

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I recommend an se V2 with 325 pro wood blades. With this you can smash it into the ground and be back into the air somewhat cheaply.

The 500 is nice, but if you run it into the ground alot parts and blades in particular start to add up. Not to mention killing one of those 6s batterys.

The 600n is amazing, but I wouldn't say for a beginner because of how much it costs to fix.

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12-23-2008 07:42 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Lojik

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Auckland, New​Zealand

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Your awesome guys, thanks for the prompt replies.

Although I don't mind spending the $ for my first Heli I would like to keep the Budget to a reasonable level, I am currently saving up over the next 4 months and would like to not spend over NZ$2750 for everything, including tools. If your interested at what Kits cost down here this is the place I am most likely going to buy from: Hobby Hanger NZ.

a few of the kits that caught my eye was:
T-REX 450SE NEW V2/Black
T-Rex 500 ESP Combo Kit
T-REX 600 Nitro Pro Combo

Now comes the age old question of Nitro vs Electric, Granted this has been asked many times but What would be the benefits and disadvantages of learning to fly with a 600N over a 500ESP?

Fuel down here is $20 a litre and bats I think are roughly industry price.

As for personal preference I would have to say Electric, this is mainly because I have a soft spot for scale models and I find the sound and feel of an electric more satisfying over a Nitro, specially when there is a nice scale body attached. Granted I won't be flying scale for a while so It may still be worth going Nitro to begin with.

back yard....well it is small so I wont have much luck flying a 600 in there, It may be able to work with the 500 for hover practice but nothing else, I have an 4M x 4M flying square in the center but am not sure how much space I am going to need.
I wouldn't worry to much about the backyard though as I have a public park 10min walk or 1min drive from my house.

Thanks a bunch for your advise guys, keep it coming

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12-23-2008 08:13 PM  8 years agoPost 17
Skarn

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Pasadena, MD

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I have to comment on those that say the 500 is WAY more stable than the 450. I have both and have to say they are VERY close IMO. It's all in the setup too. I have both my 450 and 500 setup pretty agressively....with both they are very stable in a hover...hand's off for seconds. The 450 is NOT a lot harder to fly compared to the 500!

So I really don't think that stability is that much of an issue here.

And as docjoe points out, blade cost alone is a huge factor. Do they even make woodies for the 500? I haven't seen any. So carbons for the 500 are going to run you $65 right off the bat. And yes you WILL crash....new blades every crash. Woodies for the 450? They cost $9 each from Techmodelproducts...enough said. I won't even go into the battery cost!

Good luck bro, again you won't go wrong with either choice.

Oh and be careful with ANY heli at a public park! There are too many uncontrollable unknowns....people, dogs, kids, etc.

Skarn

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12-24-2008 12:19 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Ken4

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Singapore

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Now comes the age old question of Nitro vs Electric, Granted this has been asked many times but What would be the benefits and disadvantages of learning to fly with a 600N over a 500ESP?
I assume in NZ there is an abundance of wide open spaces and windy conditions. 600N will be perfect for you. I too started with 50size nitro (Sceadu Evo 50) and learned quickly thru Reflex XTR. Only crashed my Sceadu once in 2 months. Then I bought the Trex 450seV2, I have since crashed it 8 times in 5 weeks. The smaller the heli, the more difficult to fly. Smaller helis fly faster (scale speed) and have little room for error as they drop like a brick, bigger helis fly slower and with more lag hence easier to control. Which is my fav heli? I still prefer my 450seV2. Its cheap to crash and fast to rebuild. It's also the heli I learnt to do funnels and piroflips in. My hands no longer shake when I fly my Trex, cos in the back of my mind I know I can fix any crash in 1~3 hours and I have all the cheap spares sitting at home.

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12-24-2008 03:26 AM  8 years agoPost 19
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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Please dont get me wrong when I say this, I love the way 500 helis fly and more importantly that you can fly em nearly anywhere.
But there just not the same as 600 helis, I love my 600e the way it flys, I have a 500 size heli as a second heli that I use to take risks that I wouldent with my 600. But if I only had 1 heli me personaly It has to be a 600e size, also its been very reliable up until a couple of days age the ESC caught fire, other than that I cant say enough good things about it.

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12-24-2008 06:36 AM  8 years agoPost 20
whyfly

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Temecula C.A.

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A stock 600e on a 6s set up does not have the same punch as a stock 500 on a 6s set up I have 600e flew it stock and on a 6s the heli would only feel strong for the first 4 mins then loose all its punch but on a 8s its a new world for the heli if $$$$ no issue get a 700 on a 12s set up its a done deal even for your first heli

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