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12-23-2008 05:35 AM  8 years agoPost 1
tufguy1000

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Has anyone here ever flew without the gyro. And no im not gonna no way no how . just curiuos

IF IM NOT FLYING ITS BECUASE IM OUT OF FUEL

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12-23-2008 05:41 AM  8 years agoPost 2
tufguy1000

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I mean there had to be a time when the gyro didnt excist

IF IM NOT FLYING ITS BECUASE IM OUT OF FUEL

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12-23-2008 05:55 AM  8 years agoPost 3
Dood

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There are many people here that have flown without a gyro, flew scratch built machines, flown with 4 channel Airplane radios without a computer, learned on funny looking fixed-pitch machines with the engine mounted on top, and even carved their own blades out of 2 x 4's.

Not me though, I consider myself to have been pretty privileged.

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12-23-2008 05:57 AM  8 years agoPost 4
VKGT

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They used to do that way back.....about when there wasn't a such thing as spell check either lol couldn't resist.

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12-23-2008 06:30 AM  8 years agoPost 5
David Blain

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Mt. Dora, Florida​(USA)

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I was refueling and watching my brother in law fly when he had a gyro die in flight....
Does this count??
You should've seen him trying to control it! He did manage to get it down from 50' to near ground level to "Ease" the crash
You want to talk about the Gymbaling effect, I was LMAO

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12-23-2008 12:52 PM  8 years agoPost 6
BarracudaHockey

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At one time they discussed outlawing them in competition, that year the only class that the pilot that won a class at the nats WITH a gyro was scale! It's been a (cough) few years but its been done.

Andy
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12-23-2008 01:11 PM  8 years agoPost 7
TRACERBOB

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I've done it in the past (1978) with a revolution 40 and a Kavan Alouette. Not the most relaxing thing to do and setup is critical. I gave up helis soon after that for 27 years.

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12-23-2008 01:17 PM  8 years agoPost 8
GM1

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Yup

It is doable as I learned to do it years ago. You REALLY needed to learn to set up TR compensation curves to make it work well (a comparative term!!). It is doable but I won't say it is nearly as much fun as with a GY611.
Gordie

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12-23-2008 01:25 PM  8 years agoPost 9
BarracudaHockey

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I tried it with a Revolution as well. Showing our age I guess

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12-23-2008 01:35 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Peefor

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I 'flew' this Kalt Baron without a gyro. I refer to 'flew' in the loosest possible sense of course.

I got to the stage where I could take-off and sometimes have a deliberate landing on the other side of the field without damage, but the cost effectiveness of repairs defeated me and so gave up helis for over twenty years.

It was an interesting time though.

Pete

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12-23-2008 01:35 PM  8 years agoPost 11
Quandumphone

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I had a mantis a long time ago and couldn't afford a gyro. It was very tough because the helo was a POS. Whenever I flew that thing, I'd get into forward flight as soon as possible to get some air over the tail and get a break from controlling the tail.

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12-23-2008 04:53 PM  8 years agoPost 12
TaleGunner

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Deer Park WA

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1978-1980 (est of time) mantis fixed pitch and super mantis first variable pitch. no gyro spent more time repairing the mantis than flying. never did get what I would call a successful flight with the super mantis. Gave up helis and flew planks until 2006. I have sense flown a trex 600 without a gyro just to see if I could do it. give it a try you can do it.

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12-23-2008 05:06 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Helipilot01

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Flying without a gyro

I learned on a Schluter Heli-boy and flew it without a gyro. Not just hovering, but loops, rolls, stall turns and even 540 degree stall turns!!!

You had to be on top of the machine at all times!

Mike Fortune

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12-23-2008 05:11 PM  8 years agoPost 14
dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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Yes, I learned to fly without gyros, back in the middle to late 70's, never actually bought or installed a gyro till I bought a Concept 30 DX in 1990 and found the little 30-powered heli just too twitchy to fly without.

We were still making helicopter parts out of dinosaur bones then, and since oil and petroleum products hadn't actually formed by then, were forced to distill our own nitromethane and alcohol out of partially decomposed Pterodactyls that still roamed Montana at the time.

Stuff I flew without gyros? Schluter Heliboy, Helistar, MiniBoy, Champion, Superior, GMP Cobra and Cricket, American RC Helicopters Revolution (although technically, that piece of junk never left the ground under its own power), Kavan Jet Ranger, an xCell 60 heli that would be the equivalent of today's Miniature Aircraft Sport Trainer 60, and a Concept 60.

Of course, many of those helis were also flown with non-computerized, 4 and 5 -channel AM airplane radios and lots of bellcranks and linkages. The Schluter stuff became much easier when the early heli radios were introduced and FM radios became readily available (Airtronics, JR Century VII, Futaba 7F-GHI).

The learning curve was long and expensive, mainly due to the absence of the gyro. Learning to control the tail WHILE learning to hover was not a cake walk. Today's Heading Hold gyros make life much easier for the newbie as you really don't have to pay much attention to the tail when learning to fly these days.

About 1972 -- AM four channel radio, no gyro, barely any helicopter:

Miniboy, Futaba FP-5FN AM 5-channel radio, no gyro...and flew very well. First heli I successfully looped with, about 1982...

xCell 60, Supertiger 75, no gyro, JR X347 radio, no gyro, 2002:

Concept 60, JR X347 radio, OS 61-SFNH, no gyro, 2002:

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12-23-2008 09:00 PM  8 years agoPost 15
helibeli

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wales.uk

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I learned to sort of fly without one in 1978 with a LARK fixed pitch heli.I bought the first gyro that came on the market which was a Kavavn one with no electronics inside.You had to make a hole in your tail rotor servo and solder the gyro pot in parallel with the servo pot.It definitely helped in the hover by stopping 180 degree swings.It's so so easy for today's beginners.

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12-23-2008 09:39 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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Turn your gain down to 0% in rate mode and have a go! I have actually hovered a heli with the gyro reversed before I knew what I was doing with gyros!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-23-2008 10:01 PM  8 years agoPost 17
wthford

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Monticello, Illinois

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I never used one for the first 10 or so years of my flying. They just weren't all that common. It's not that much different if you're just flying around. But, you will find yourself making more changes to trim. My radio had revo mixing which did help a bit. It would dial a little more trim into the tail as the collective was raised. My Schlueter Mini Boy had mechanical mixing, which was interesting. I would not be afraid to fly without one today. It's all in the setup.

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12-23-2008 10:27 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Santiago P

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South West, Ohio

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I too learned to fly without a gyro, with a straight airplane radio on a Schlueter Mini Boy with mechanical mixing. It did not help much either. My left thumb back them looked like it was on STEROIDS! LOL

See, back then, when men were men, and stood with a wider stace after 10minutes of wrestling the beast and conquer its "wild tail". This is why old farts like me can no lomger hack it at 3D because we burned up too many muscles, tendons and brain cells just flying that tail.

Did it for three years until Futaba and Kraft came out with their gyros and radios with electronic mixing. Boy, we thought we died and when to heaven.

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12-24-2008 03:54 AM  8 years agoPost 19
jrett

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san jose, ca.

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Just curious, do real helicopters have gyros? My guess is that some do and some don't. Anyone have any experiences to share on that?

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12-24-2008 03:58 AM  8 years agoPost 20
PilotDaz

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Seattle, WA

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Just curious, do real helicopters have gyros?
They use human gyro's. Everything reacts much more slowly in a full scale, so the pilot can handle torque compensation with very little difficulty.

It becomes an automatic reflex to push on the left pedal when increasing the collective etc.

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