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12-29-2008 05:38 AM  8 years agoPost 21
whyfly

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Temecula C.A.

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I'm almost ready to sale my Stratus I watch a friend put his 700 down this weekend.I went to the LHS with him to pick up parts and blades total was $198.99 I was like no way My last crash on my N9 was $250 in parts no blades I'll have my 700 in the air next weekend
I'll see how see flys but keeping the Stratus & N9 for now

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12-29-2008 05:57 AM  8 years agoPost 22
Heliguychris

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Perth, West​Australia

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If MA parts were cheaper....
We`d all be flying MA.

But they arnt, so we dont

MA could make their parts cheaper if they really wanted too.....they are just way too proud of their product.....

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12-29-2008 07:32 AM  8 years agoPost 23
Parsifal

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Singapore

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I like MA quality. No other helicopter of mine has lasted 400 flights with naught a complaint in my experience, and i have had a few over the years.

That said, it would be great if parts were cheaper, but i'd rather pay more for parts that last forever than less for parts that wear out in 3 months. Doing multiple rounds of setting up my helis is a pain in the ass.

Its unfortunate that MA is more expensive than some can afford, but i always want helis out there that are slightly more exclusive, that are bullet proof and consequently cheaper to own in the long run than something that will constantly require part replacements.

Pars.

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12-31-2008 03:43 PM  8 years agoPost 24
lfalsetto

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COLORADO

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Have to say something, I just built another Trex 600. In comparison to Miniature this thing was an ARF. I have over 125 flights on the other 600 with one major crash. I am really thinking that parts availability of MinAir is going to hurt them. Go into your LHS. What parts are there. In todays market people want availability and reasonable cost.

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12-31-2008 03:59 PM  8 years agoPost 25
bkervaski

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Birmingham, AL, USA

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I've never had a problem getting MA parts, I also don't mind spending a few more dollars for the quality.

I have a couple Align models, they are a great value and great flying helicopters. There's no doubt that Align has been good for the hobby. Their kits almost build themselves if you shake the box hard enough.

After flying Synergy, Aurora, Align, and MA, I prefer my Stratus over all for fit and finish, quality and durability, and flight characteristics. Synergy a close second for sexiness and very fast flying characteristics but fit+finish needs some work (but overall a great v1 kit). I didn't like my experience with Avant.

I hope MA decides to start including finished canopies with their new models. I really like being able to buy reasonably priced finished OEM canopies for my Align models when I put one in. I can't seem to make myself buy cheap professionally painted canopies and it's not fun putting in a $250 canopy, not to mention all of the good painters have long waiting periods and backlogs.

I also like the progressive nature of the way MA does things. The Stratus, for example, is arguably in revision 3 (V3) although you would never know it. MA improves parts, includes them with new kits and as upgrades. Tail box, frames, little bits here and there, the High Ratio version, etc.

MA would probably do better if they re-released kits as V2, V3, SE (or whatever) and made a big deal out of it, for example the Bobby Watts Stratus, I didn't even know it existed until it had already been out for 6 months. They should have made a big to-do about it, new box, big additions to the website, big buzz, etc.

There has been enough changes to the Stratus kit since it was first released to warrant a major re-release but for some reason MA is happy to let everyone think the Stratus is a 3 year old design.

Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels

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12-31-2008 04:32 PM  8 years agoPost 26
BJames111

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San Diego,​California

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There has been enough changes to the Stratus kit since it was first released to warrant a major re-release but for some reason MA is happy to let everyone think the Stratus is a 3 year old design.
I agree with you Bill. However, it IS annoying the way the canopy fits on the helicopter, plus you have to hack it up so badly it loses much of it's strength. A new canopy design would go a LONG way here.

I do agree that the current Stratus can hold it's own and/or surpass anything else out there. For that Matter, I STILL think my Fury is cutting edge in design compared to many other heli's out there.

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12-31-2008 05:01 PM  8 years agoPost 27
lfalsetto

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COLORADO

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I have been so frustrated with the availability of stratus canopies and extreme canopies that I copied the canopy and made my own molds. The thing is Align is getting things to the market very rapidly. I want a new MinAir 90 but since their announcement I am still waiting and the TREX 700 can be had for $699 how can they compete?

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12-31-2008 05:26 PM  8 years agoPost 28
GyroFreak

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Orlando Florida​...28N 81W

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I just finished a Min Air Razor 600E and the parts fit was amazing. This is a true Kit, every nut bolt and part is in bags but the instructions for assy were great. Not a single part was missing or had a fitup problem.
Waiting for some servos but it is ready to go beat some air into submission.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-31-2008 05:31 PM  8 years agoPost 29
bkervaski

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Birmingham, AL, USA

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@lfalsetto

Arizona Heli has high quality perfectly matched after market canopies, already cut for Hatori pipes, they will come primed and ready to paint, fyi.

I *really* hope MA decides to start offering OEM finished canopies.

Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels

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12-31-2008 05:53 PM  8 years agoPost 30
kcordell

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O Fallon, MO

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I don't think MA will ever offer 'finished canopies'.
Tim hardly even paints anymore, except for just a few specials like the 90's for Bobby and Nick.
Tim is always the ultimate perfectionist. If he gets a shipment of canopies in and they aren't up to his standards, back they go.
That is why they can be hard to find sometimes.
Another 'thumbs up' to Arizona Helis canopies. I had one done for my Razor and it is beautifil.

Team Futaba, Team Synergy/Rail, Team Scorpion, Team Castle Creations, YS Engines, VelTye

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12-31-2008 06:25 PM  8 years agoPost 31
hootowl

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Garnet Valley, Pa.

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$699 how can they compete?
U R Joking? You can't compare the two. OK the 700 flys great. Still when it comes to down right excellence, you can't compare anything Align to the top quality helis that have to cost more.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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01-01-2009 01:36 AM  8 years agoPost 32
alfred

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Australia, New South​Wales, Mid North​Coast

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Parts are out of proportion more expensive compared to the original cost of the kit.

On the other hand, spatially here in Australia we have been blessed with never seen before low prices for quite some time now, since Dennis has taken it over.
Over 15years ago my X-Cell60 cost AUS $1650,- while just a couple of years ago my Stratus cost me AUS $1350,- and is still being advertised on his Website for AUS $1400,- despite the bad exchange rate.

Coming to spare parts prices:
10 years ago, a very simple loss of tailrotor (my fault) had my heli the X-Cell60 (1003kit) spinning level 2 meters of the ground.
The resultant landing and tip-over cost a total of AUS $600,- on MA spare parts, which did not include blades.

I haven't crashed any of my MA's for quite a while having been unable to do a lot of flying, so my parts prices goes back a while when I purchased spare parts for all three MA's.
These included booms, boom braces, shafts etc.
At that time, all parts were well within the cost of any other 60/90 heli.

That's all good and well, except that now parts have become so cheap from other Manufacturers, that MA will have to re-think their spare parts approach.
Most now supply 2 shafts per package and often sell items like mixing arms as a package including all the bearings, ball links etc.
MA still sells them as single items and despite that it looks fairly cheap, once you add all the parts together to make one item, the price goes up exponential.

Somebody said that MA might never supply painted canopies with the kits.
The market has changed, how do they expect to sell kits without painted canopies?
That's what today's customers expect, because that's what they can get from everybody else.
If they want to stay in business, then they will have to change with the market.

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01-01-2009 11:59 AM  8 years agoPost 33
harmdive

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Colchester. UK

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Align quality control seems to be holding up. Most pilots at my field are flying Align and I have yet to see a component fail. They don't fly them really hard (that will be left up to me) but they haven't crashed because of mechanical failure. It seems that people's perception of spending a lot of money on a kit will deliver a quality product and vice versa. I think Align have proved the exception - that's why everyone is flying them. If they were that bad numbers would be down at the field. MA do make quality helis but I feel they and JR to a certain extent are pricing themselves out of the market which could be a good thing in that newer companies can get in on the act and bring the price of the hobby down. It's a good thing the hobby is not so exclusive now just for those who have deep pockets. Where's my Raptor!!!

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01-01-2009 02:41 PM  8 years agoPost 34
kcordell

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O Fallon, MO

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I don't think people are buying parts because of potential failure, but for crash replacement.

Team Futaba, Team Synergy/Rail, Team Scorpion, Team Castle Creations, YS Engines, VelTye

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01-08-2009 06:58 AM  8 years agoPost 35
Phil.L

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Australia

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