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12-23-2008 04:45 PM  8 years agoPost 21
jfint

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4 seater was mostly to account for 2 adults (I weigh 250lbs) and some luggage with full fuel. My buddy with the 150 tells me when we flew last weekend he could have fueled the tanks up, and we would have been out of CG but the plane would have flown fine. And reading around the internet the price differnec to maintain that 150 seems pretty considerable compared to the bigger planes.

This still may be just a pipe dream at the moment but I sure do appreciate your guys' input.

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12-23-2008 06:30 PM  8 years agoPost 22
1stPlace

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My buddy with the 150 tells me when we flew last weekend he could have fueled the tanks up, and we would have been out of CG but the plane would have flown fine
It probably would have been withing the CG. It would have been over gross weight though. With full fuel, a 150 only has a 354 lb payload capacity

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12-23-2008 08:27 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Lomcevek1

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On paper

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12-23-2008 08:35 PM  8 years agoPost 24
ErichF

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Lomcevec1 can back me up on this, as a fellow Alaska pilot...

The FAA grants a special over gross allowance to light aircraft in Alaska used in the utility category in part 121 or 135 ops.

http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-323-FAR.shtml
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12-23-2008 08:46 PM  8 years agoPost 25
tarmack

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You might also want to consider an older Bonanza. It has a little greater annual cost but you can't beat it for 4 seater roominess and with what they are selling for now you can't go wrong.

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12-24-2008 12:04 AM  8 years agoPost 26
Lomcevek1

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There is a little bit of red tape to cut through but yes you can and it is done often. More often than not though they will add performance mods (lots of them) and upgross the airplane that way. Which is legal in all states.

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12-24-2008 12:14 AM  8 years agoPost 27
1stPlace

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The FAA grants a special over gross allowance to light aircraft in Alaska used in the utility category in part 121 or 135 ops.
LOL... They get away with a lot of things on planes in Alaska. I have done prebuys on airplanes from all over the world. I can honestly say, the most butchered up planes I have ever seen lived in Alaska for several years!

I'm not saying that's how most Alaskan planes are. I have known a few Alaskan aircraft owners that would never allow their planes to be butchered by bad mechanics. But, on the other hand, there are lots of planes up there, that do get more than their fair share of cobbled up "off field" repairs. That's just part of being a pilot in the middle of nowhere.

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12-24-2008 12:23 AM  8 years agoPost 28
JVheli

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More input......

Since you are also going to be a student in this airplane, I really would NOT recommend a complex (retractable gear, constant speed prop, etc). Why? Few people who own performance aircraft really see the benefit from the extra performance. Why? Most of the uses are for pleasure. That speed and performance increase comes at a cost. And you will pay that cost even when you are just out for a joy ride.

Just my 2 cents. Stick to a fixed gear, fixed pitch 4 place that you like with modest instruments and you will be able to enjoy everything you mentioned in your original post.

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12-24-2008 04:04 AM  8 years agoPost 29
SilverEagle2

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I love my Sundowner and nothing is built like a Beech. However parts are hard to come by, but fortunately we have not had a need...yet!

I would stick to a Cessna or Piper product myself. Parts are available all over and cheaper, maintenance is cheaper most of the time.

Having said that, good luck and make sure you trust your partners with your life as squawks that some call important and others not make the difference between life and death sometimes. All of my partners will list the most minor they find and we resolve them.

Good luck.

Wait..what!?!?! No, that can't be!

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12-24-2008 03:29 PM  8 years agoPost 30
beechbum

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I bought my first aircraft in 1989. It was a '79 Grumman AA5A Cheetah. Its a neat little low wing four seater with a sliding canopy. It would just blow the doors off a 172 on the same 150 hp. I got my instrument in it, and it worked fine for that too. And at six three the view out side was much better than from a 172. In the Cessna all I could see was wing root. It was cheap to maintain, and finding parts was not a prob. I always did an owner assist on the annual to keep the costs down. As I recall it really was inexpensive to own. I sold it to get a '62 P model Bonanza. Don't go for bendy gear and a prop control unless you want to spend a lot more money to maintain and operate the thing. While I had the Bonanza I bought a 172M to teach in. Hands down , in my opinion the Grumman is a better aircraft. If you can find one check it out. Like some of the previous posts said, make sure you get a good thurough prebuy. Good luck!

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12-24-2008 03:51 PM  8 years agoPost 31
ErichF

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I flew the newer American General AG-5B Tigers (formerly Grumman Cheetah/Tiger)at the Eglin AFB aero Club. I did most of my IFR in them. They had the S-Tec 50 AP and the King HSI. Nice birds, and 180hp the fastest single in their class on 10GPH.

You can still find a few of those AG-5Bs around, too.

Erich

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12-24-2008 04:39 PM  8 years agoPost 32
Theoneoffwizard

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Best bang for your buck? Lanceair. there are several home-builts out there that beat ever factory built airplane in performance and price.

If I was was going to buy a factory built airplane, it would be a Bonanza however.

Nice to fly and well made.

Dave Yost

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12-25-2008 04:09 AM  8 years agoPost 33
xxl

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piper archer is a nice plane check those out

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12-25-2008 02:59 PM  8 years agoPost 34
Leon Brodie

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Experimental

Lancair's ROCK HARD. (yes, I'm biased) Best bang for me might not work for you. However, you should at least research your options. If you want an airplane that isn't old (nothing wrong with old, I love old personally, not sure nostalgia equals bang) -> look up experimental aircraft. Vans RV series would be a good place to start.
http://www.championairphotos.com

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12-25-2008 03:37 PM  8 years agoPost 35
FILE IFR

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jfint,

How much $ is your group willing to spend? I'm seeing suggestions with price differences well over $100K.

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12-25-2008 03:55 PM  8 years agoPost 36
Mike66

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How about another twist to the decision-making process to consider? I was a 1/4 owner of a 172 in 1989. The other three owners had their commercial and instrument ratings, and I was still building hours (about 300 at that time mostly in a 172 and 182). The plane had a new IFR package and my intent was to use it for recreational flying and as my training platform for my commercial and instrument ratings.

In the eight months that I was a equal owner, I never had a chance to fly it. Either the weather conspired against me, or one of the other owners had scheduled it. Out of frustration, I sold my share to the three others before the next annual was due and decided that I would never share ownership again. There were no hard feelings when I opted out, I just did not see any point in owning a plane and still paying rental fees at the FBO for my lessons.

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12-26-2008 12:47 AM  8 years agoPost 37
Leon Brodie

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Barnstormers.com

Check it out. If you've got the money, somebody might just have what you can afford. Check out local airports and parking first. Maybe second and third. Hanger space is a premium in most Metropolitan areas. In rural America... Not so much.

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12-26-2008 12:49 PM  8 years agoPost 38
1stPlace

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Hanger space is a premium in most Metropolitan areas. In rural America... Not so much.
Ain't that the truth? Hangar rent on my airport averages about $150.00 a month, while at the closest controlled airports, the average cost is $275.00 a month! It is extremely difficult to find a hangar for sale around here. They are very good investments, if you can find one.

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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12-26-2008 02:13 PM  8 years agoPost 39
Flint325

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Cessna 206.

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12-26-2008 02:16 PM  8 years agoPost 40
oakley

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Dont bother with single engine crap.Get a VLJ.

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