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12-26-2008 09:51 PM  8 years agoPost 61
totu

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not to forget that ghosts of the demolished have friends and there were people who tuned into the fight-channel only in time to see you stepping on their face and therefore you becoming imprinted in their minds as the bad duck.

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12-26-2008 09:59 PM  8 years agoPost 62
patrickegan

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1.Who do we propose is going to do all of the work? I guess I would need to know more about what the specific work is you are referring to. I for one don't think a total RCAPA overhaul makes sense at this time. I just think RCAPA would be more successful if the rank and file had organized input and representation. The “work” was what it took to make the proposed changes.

2. Who do we propose will pay for attorneys and filings for the non-profit or manage the project? We looked into, I did the paper work on another 501 (c ) (3)and it wasn’t fun, nor is the reoccurring paperwork, fillings etc. I personally don't care if RCAPA is non-profit or not so long as the communities views are represented in an open, organized manner. What haven’t I/we shared that you'd like to see? Like I stated before, the AOPA/AMA membership will not get to vote on the ARC stuff.

3. Do we put all efforts on hold until the bones of the association are sorted out? I don't think that makes sense. I agree

4. While all of this is going on do we stop fundraising? I think if RCAPA immediately accepted nominations for district reps, fundraising would increase dramatically. I for one would donate. We had discussed doing district reps years ago, but finding folks to fill the slots and make the commitments didn’t pan out. Do we have any candidates that would like to come forward?

5. Do we spend all of this capitol on the association or integration?
(Unfunded ARC meeting end of January) I would try to do both, funds permitting, but I think the ARC is the more pressing matter. As it stands now we'll be hard pressed for funds/manpower for one.

5. Is it a good time to change horses with the ARC being close to completion? I'm not sure what you mean by "change horses". You are on the ARC and are familiar with the process. I don't see why that needs to change. What I meant was in general, upset the apple cart (one wheeled), start something new/different association process wise.

6. Who is, or will be qualified to make those decisions? What decisions? All of these and others that will surly arise.

8. Knowing up front that a higher level of participation does not translate into immediate full participation, are you still willing to jump in If you are referring to me personally, as I said before, I am willing to help in any way I can. All of these are meant to be general, no one in particular questions. The point was I wouldn’t be able to disclose ARC information to the general membership (FAA orders, and the same stipulation for all groups participating).

9. Are people willing to really commit for 6 to 18 months of participation I don't know. I'm sure there are some that are very passionate about all this. Passion is a powerful force. I hear you

10. Any good estimates for the time it would take to complete the transformation? Nomination/voting for district reps could happen in 2 weeks I would think. These reps could then have input into what the priorities should be going forward I would agree about going forward, still think you may have a hard time finding reps for obvious reasons.

11. Proposed budget and income stream to complete the aforementioned?
I would take it one step at a time. The income stream dictates the budget.
Well, the budget has limited many of the proposed changes in the past.

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12-26-2008 09:59 PM  8 years agoPost 63
totu

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not to suggest the face-stepper isn't a bad duck

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12-26-2008 10:05 PM  8 years agoPost 64
xfc3dcd

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Totu,

As I said previously, what is behind us is far less important than what is ahead. If you go through most of the other posts in this thread you will see they represent an honest effort to move forward. The thread originator was asking for ideas/suggestions to make RCAPA an organization that most would be willing to support. Do you have any thoughts that fall into that category?

Wendell

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12-26-2008 10:30 PM  8 years agoPost 65
iflybyu77

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Totu, please, keep it constructive. If you really don't think RCAPA or this thread is worth paying attention to, there are other venues for making fun of Patrick/RCAPA. I understand you (and I) don't understand everything that is going on, but instead of polluting the thread with jibing...

I'll even start a thread for you... deal? You just say the word.

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12-26-2008 10:34 PM  8 years agoPost 66
iflybyu77

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Patrick/Joe - did you miss my questions on page 3? Not sure if either one of you is even the correct person to answer the questions, but maybe you know who does?

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12-26-2008 10:41 PM  8 years agoPost 67
totu

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Wendell,

I deviated in the last few posts but only with Patrick as a dancing partner.

Before that, I asked a relevant and germain clarifying question regarding "Regulations are coming but opportunities to self-regulate will exist".

Perhaps in Point #1 of Post #1 should replace the inviting question...

"1. Is RCAPA still viable as a representative body?"

with...

"1. This thread is about how RCAPA can be advanced".

As it is, expect to see a fair answer to Point #1 of Post #1 being less than positive. Especially since the discussion is not in the RCAPA forum but a more forum much less specific to RCAPA.

Thanks
Totu

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12-26-2008 10:45 PM  8 years agoPost 68
patrickegan

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Sorry Ifly,

I'm working them now. P

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12-26-2008 10:55 PM  8 years agoPost 69
xfc3dcd

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Patrick,

I am struggling with the FAA's motive/desire to keep the ARC information/proceedings close to the vest. This is why I left a phone message for Bruce Talbert today about being able to attend the meetings as an observer. Further, it states in 1110.150.10 that under the FIA that all the ARC documents will be available to the public. Maybe "will be" are the operative terms here. (read - way after the fact) I plan to drill down into this issue with the decision makers until I get a answer or hit rock at some point.

I think things are different now. I feel more of a sense of urgency from many to pull together. So is RCAPA saying that they would consider district reps if qualified persons come forth and commit without objections?

Wendell

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12-26-2008 11:01 PM  8 years agoPost 70
patrickegan

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Wendell,

Yes (district reps). Ask Bruce your questions and please report back. P

Ifly,

A few more questions arose as I read through some of what Patrick and Joe have written. Perhaps one or both of you would be so kind as to clue us in..

1. I'm a little confused as to what was said about RCAPA being owned privately and therefore not open to voting. Is that a correct summary?
• Rick Connolly - Co-founder/President
• Gene Robinson - Co-founder/SAR
• Patrick Egan - Director of Special Promotions
• Ira Buckley - Director of Public Relations
• Mel Duval - Special consultant to Board of Directors
Rick graduated from Embry Riddle, worked for Honeywell as a manager certifying turbines. He owns his own company which was a subcontractor that made parts for Eclipse.
Gene I’d call him a SAR expert using unmanned technology.
Mel is an engineer and works with UAS.

It's nice to have a list here. I knew all the names before, but there are a few questions I'm sure all would like to know. I know some of the answers as well, but again, I'm sure it would helpful for all.

2. Who are these gentlemen, and what are they currently involved in, affiliated with, and what is their interest in being part of the ARC process? I am the only one directly involved, but consult Rick on policy.

3. Personally I've rarely seen posts from the majority of those on the list. (I frequent RCG/RCU/RR/APL) How can "we" communicate with them and learn more about them? Most have other things to do and feel that the forums are a waste of time.

4. Do they read threads such as this, where thoughtful discussion takes place? Do they care? We’ve been at this for several years and if it were every really thoughtful they would be more inclined to participate.

5. Do they understand that viability is directly related to public interaction wtih their members? They’ve always been into reel participation.

6. Maybe most important in discussing whether WE want to be a part of RCAPA is do THEY want RCAPA to be viable? Yes

I know as Patrick has stated before that the listed individuals above have questioned why Patrick continues to try to wrestle words with the general AP community. That makes one stop and think maybe they are losing interest in keeping it viable?

I still believe that RCAPA would be highly potent as a advocate for us if "we" knew more about what we were supporting. We'd support with our $, we'd support with phone calls, we'd support with our time. Let's get the air clear, and get the ball rolling.

I believe that membership + donations might be viable. I'll pay my AOPA dues, I'll pay my AMA/IRCHA dues, why not pay dues to an association that supports my business and not just a "hobby" Seems like supporting your business is worth more than those other interests. I'd say you'd have a more reliable revenue stream if we could get all these things cleared up. Then maybe Joe could go on those ritzy getaways compliments of the RCAPA membership.
Again we only have limited time and effort, soon I’ll have to give up and get back on the boatload of work I volunteered for.

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12-26-2008 11:47 PM  8 years agoPost 71
totu

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1. Is RCAPA still viable as a representative body?

For those looking for other options, it was brought to my attention that in fact MACO is an active organization who's member count also requires a school-bus for comfortable seating. For further information you'll want to make contact.

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12-27-2008 02:10 AM  8 years agoPost 72
papatango

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Here's a few famous words that Mr. Egan posted himself in that thread.

"Even little guys need credibility."

Now, if that's not like spitting in all of the faces on RR, I don't know what is.

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12-27-2008 02:13 AM  8 years agoPost 73
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NAS= National Air Space..exactly what altuitudes are invloved in the NAS?

Ross

Seems to me that ALL heli's beat the air into submission

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12-27-2008 02:21 AM  8 years agoPost 74
patrickegan

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Ross,
If you mean for sUAS, it’s complicated and can’t really get into details.

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12-27-2008 02:23 AM  8 years agoPost 75
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Papatango,

And I called us all "submicroscopic" in relative terms.

Close your eyes and breath slowly. Feel the cosmic creaminess surround your body. You are one with everything around you. Anger is the silent killer. Let it go, let it go.

Wendell

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12-27-2008 02:54 AM  8 years agoPost 76
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I hate mis-information and snow jobs .....
Anyone interested in de-bunking?

last post page 1 .... first post page 2 ..... bs

short time searching (make your own decision about membership credibility)

https://rc.runryder.comhttp://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...353&postcount=1
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...357&postcount=1
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...360&postcount=1

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12-27-2008 03:30 AM  8 years agoPost 77
patrickegan

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Photo contests sponsored by a photography association, head for the hills

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12-27-2008 03:41 AM  8 years agoPost 78
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Two years ago when I slammed RCAPA for asking for money but having no credibility in the industry he contacted companies I had done business with and the FAA. Mr. Davis to be clear.

I was the contacted by Mr. Davis with the FAA to talk about what we do and how we do it. We had a conference call which had statements made to me that Patrick was a pain that would not go away. I ask when they had time to give me some idea where we were headed for regulations.

This was a statement made to me. The FAA is going to adopt the AMA guidelines as they have worked well for years to inspect your own equipment and flying site. They then will have everyone doing this type of work file their name and address with the FAA so if there is a problem they have a way to contact you.

As far as I can tell several have donated money to a guy that's wants nothing more than to regulate this industry himself.

There’s nothing to fix or talk about. They have a good plan by following the AMA but giving us a commercial side to work under.

That came straight from Davis's office.

For years Patrick has been screaming the sky is falling. Now he's stating we all have to have a medical unless we help him.

Sorry just sick of all the BS threads about what the FAA is doing. They are not against us. Regs will be out in late 2009 we all will like. You don't need to write or call anyone just set tight.

John

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12-27-2008 03:51 AM  8 years agoPost 79
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Then the acting administrator is wasting a lot of people’s time.

Monty had donated to us in the past, many donate more than once.

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12-27-2008 04:05 AM  8 years agoPost 80
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Membership drives to inflate numbers ..... house of cards ....
no need to head for the hills, the truth will set you free.

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