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12-22-2008 11:57 PM  8 years agoPost 21
balsabasher

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Helps with learning nose-in and backward flight.

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12-23-2008 12:14 AM  8 years agoPost 22
Sam2b

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Hehe... using an mCX and flying nose in hands off doesn't quit count. But nice try.

The "fly the low wing" method was ingrained in my head when I flew airplanes for 8 years. As stated above, the both the sim and much repetition it the way to learn nose in, as well as all other orientations. And when trying it in real life, do it high!

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12-23-2008 01:29 AM  8 years agoPost 23
Thomas L Erb

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Hi Andy!! I personaly used the training gear and from the ground up just like i learned tail in but sims had not been invented yet when i learned. The way i teach my students is to start with small hovering figure 8's . you only turn as far as you can pushing it just a little more as you get better. when you reach the point that you can do circuts at about 10 ft height and about 20-30 ft circles you can slow and eventualy stop the manuver when the heli is nose in. if it gets weird you already have the bailout down pat. you just continue the figure 8. works for my students so far. hope this helps Tom

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12-23-2008 01:47 AM  8 years agoPost 24
PilotDaz

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I learned by flying up high, slow figure 8's. As the heli was coming back towards me, I'd slow it down, then push forward and continue through the circuit.

Each time I'd slow it more and more until it would pause, then push forward and continue the circuit.

Eventually you'll hold it for 3-5 seconds, then get confused. Just push forward and do another circuit.

The nice thing about Figure 8's is that it is never pointed directly at you, but always about 30-45 degrees to one side. As you improve, then you can hold it for 30-45 seconds. Your bail out is to always fly out.

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12-23-2008 02:06 AM  8 years agoPost 25
hdskullfire2

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I started my nose-in work after learning stationary piro's. I wanted to have my escape route first so I could go right back to an orientation I was comfortable with. Then as I progressed with more and more quartering to side-in - to - nose-in orientations, I was able to maintain nose-in starting with quick ones and eventually to lingering ones.

My advice is to fly as much as you can, the sim is great, but the heli will be different dependent on location and height above ground. I did all my work indoors at first in a controlled environment.

Good luck.

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12-23-2008 02:14 AM  8 years agoPost 26
Taipan

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G'day Andy,

Long time no hear! The other day I was thinking what fun I had practicing for 3DM at your place.

When I learnt to fly, got up to figure 8 circuits and would crap myself everytime my heli came in nose-in as didn't know how to. Gave me nightmares & decided enough is enough.

Brushed the dust off my training legs & slapped back on my heli. For 2 weeks I did nothing but take-off, hover and land nose in only. Just like learning tail-in hover. No more probs after that!

Cheers,

Kev.

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12-23-2008 03:13 AM  8 years agoPost 27
red_z06

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Here is a little bit that I learned. As long as there is other things to do, I would put off the uncomfortable thing to the very last. You try it a little bit and when it becomes hard, you back off a little bit. Eventually you will get it. But, takes much longer than if you decided on "Do or Die".

If you do fig 8 approach to nose-in, you will get it. But because there is a way out, you tend to take that way out more often than not.

Nose-in take off has no way out as you start from the ground in nose-in. It is harder of course. But, just like tail-in, you will get it. With much less number of flights.

Now you have a sim, so it is much much easier to do nose-in on sim.

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12-23-2008 03:40 AM  8 years agoPost 28
T-Rex-Flyer

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Just do it.

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.

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12-23-2008 03:49 AM  8 years agoPost 29
rcjon

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Just don't get too close to the ground.

(hey, that advice works for all moves.)

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12-23-2008 12:26 PM  8 years agoPost 30
SSN Pru

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I learned nose in quite easily by starting to fly directly towards myself. I gradually slowed the forward speed down until I was hovering nose in.

I told another guy at the field who was having trouble learning to hover nose in how I did it. He tried it and had it practically mastered by the end of the day.

You have to be capable of FFF though to try my method

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12-23-2008 01:06 PM  8 years agoPost 31
odam2k

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If you have a sim, and you're just starting nose in, give this a shot (on the sim)

When hovering nose in, fly the skids... just like if you balance a long stick in the palm of your hand, you push and pull your hand, pushing and pulling the bottom of the stick to keep it upright. Try it with a long stick, you don't really think about which way it is falling, its pretty intuitive...

If the heli is starting to back away from you, then push the skids back under it...

It may not be for everyone, but it worked for me, not overnight, but nothing comes that easy

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12-23-2008 01:14 PM  8 years agoPost 32
ESWLFSE

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Learn to fly circuits well in both directions, and then simply start flying nose in toward yourself from different directions and coming into a hover. If you botch it flip the tail and go around again. When you get good start landing nose in.

Don't try some kind of conscious-thought control reversal scheme in your head. Let it come naturally.

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12-23-2008 06:06 PM  8 years agoPost 33
Captain Obvious

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those figure 8's are a good way to inch up on it.

another method taught by Curtice Youngblood, is "T hovers"

Simply hover nose out. Slowly move it right down the runway (still nose out) following the line as closely as possible so you are looking at the left side... bring it back slowly then move slowly down the runway to the left so you are looking at the right side... basicly you are practicing transitions from right side , tail-in, left side, and VS versa

Next step is to do the same with the heli facing left or right so you will be practicing tail, side, nose transitions. (only go as far as you feel comfortable with. when you start to see that transition to nose in the first few times you may start to freak a bit) after a number of tries it will seem like nothing.

Once you have done that you go around another 90 degrees so you start out nose in and practice transitions to nose left, nose in, and nose right...

Do the same excersizes upside down and you have all possible transitions, and it will be rare that you ever get disoriented.

The "T" part of the excersize is you stop in the middle sometimes and move away from you and back in each possition i didn't do that very much when i went thru the excersizes, but in retrospect it is an important part...

Sounds boring as hell, and it is, but works great. I was stuck in the loop -roll rutt for years. After about 6 months of working the sim everyday i was flying around backwards and upside down more often than forwards... and almost completely relaxed doing it.

Master it on the sim first, will save you a ton of cash.

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