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12-22-2008 06:45 PM  8 years agoPost 1
mrloudly

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Sooo many different ways/techniques to learn... What's the best?

Andy M

ps Thinking of buying a Quark or Minium to practise?

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12-22-2008 06:49 PM  8 years agoPost 2
smcbmw

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I practiced on my sim for about a week straight and transitioned to the real thing with no problem.....

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12-22-2008 06:56 PM  8 years agoPost 3
copperclad

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hi
a Quark would be great , very stable little flyer

when i learned nose in , i used Radd's school , and just followed his program , but nose in , plenty of sim time too , if you have one , HTH

Radd's school , learn to hover , on the left

http://www.dream-models.com/eco/flying-index.html

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12-22-2008 07:31 PM  8 years agoPost 4
jjh23

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ive been learning nose in on the SIM lately, i cant remember where but somebody posted on here and said when you have it nose in, faceing you, push the cyclic stick whichever way the heli tilts

i.e, if when nose in the heli's tail tilts down, away from you, push the cyclic stick away from you and so on,
i tried it this way and it works very well

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12-22-2008 07:37 PM  8 years agoPost 5
Frank Bostwick

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Plankers call it "fly the low wing"

Me I think in terms of PORT and Starboard not left and right but Ive been in boating all my life so its habit. Port/starboard is always the same. Where as all your life left and right are never thought of in terms of "nose in". Port/Starboard lets you teach your head/fingers in terms that wont fight life long preception (left/right)
But thats me

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12-22-2008 07:51 PM  8 years agoPost 6
MattJen

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Just build up to it slowly.

Start at 45o increments, and work your way around a figurative clock face, it may be slower this way, but once you master each angle there wont be a point/ angle in a circuit you are uncomfortable with as you would have masterd them in the hover..

Some put training undercarridge back on until they can master it, i personally learnt by doing the learning the clock face method..

Matt

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12-22-2008 07:56 PM  8 years agoPost 7
cst4252

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I started in helis on Reflex, then bought a Hirobo XRB. I could hover nose in with the XRB and on the sim, but I moved up to a Trex 450 and wasn't really getting it. I bought a Quark and right away I was able to get the nose-in feel using the Quark. The skills translated quickly to the Trex.

I can't recommend the Quark enough. I'm flying circuits on calm days outdoors. It's been really helpful. Unlike the Trex, the Quark is completely unintimidating.

Chapman

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12-22-2008 07:57 PM  8 years agoPost 8
mrloudly

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P.sses me off! I can loop and roll but not nose in!!!!

I'll crack it! Thanks for the tips guys!

Andy

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12-22-2008 07:57 PM  8 years agoPost 9
mrloudly

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600 and 700n by the way :-))

Andy

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12-22-2008 08:00 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Cheech91060

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Just more sticktime
I try to have a goal when simming. E.g. I won't just sit in nose-in hover, I'll fly a box nose-in and pause on the corners.

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12-22-2008 08:03 PM  8 years agoPost 11
JetFire

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Definately some SIM time to avoid crash expenses. Just like any new manuever... keep it high so you have time to bail out if needs be. It also helps if you have some forward movement rather than a hover which requires more stick input. Practice either with circles or just have it fly away from you and back by utilizing a bank turn. As you get better then pause the heli into a hover just briefly and go again providing longer pauses each time until you can eventually hold it there. Just practice, practice, practice.

Good luck


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12-22-2008 08:14 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Skarn

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SIMULATOR!

I wouldn't even try it with the real heli until you can consistently nail it on the simulator.

Good luck,
Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...

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12-22-2008 08:31 PM  8 years agoPost 13
mrloudly

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Sussed it on the Sim... Every time I try real time it screws me....

Keep flying tail circles and pushing forward whilst nose in, seems to be helping!

Sure it's psychological....

Andy

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12-22-2008 08:33 PM  8 years agoPost 14
mrloudly

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Why can I fly warbird models (bastard ones at that) fixed wing (and full size, but that's easy) and yet struggle with this...

Andy M

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12-22-2008 08:41 PM  8 years agoPost 15
DougsRC

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Why can I fly warbird models (bastard ones at that) fixed wing (and full size, but that's easy) and yet struggle with this...
Because heli's are the most challenging of all the RC (IMO), you are not alone. I've been flying planes of all sorts for years without batting an eye but heli's persist in being a Great challenge. They sure do look easy to fly in the Vids SIM practice and real stick time combined with repetition and baby steps are what ya gatta do, there are not many short-cuts in Heli-world

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12-22-2008 08:55 PM  8 years agoPost 16
mrloudly

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Thanks Doug!

They really are b.stards!!

Makes you realise just how good these 3D guys are!!

Andy

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12-22-2008 09:07 PM  8 years agoPost 17
DougsRC

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Makes you realize just how good these 3D guys are!!
Absolutely The main difference I found with flying planes and helis is a plane likes to fly forward and you "the pilot" are redirecting its path - where as a heli just assume fly backward or sideways or whatever, you "the pilot" have to constantly and continuously give the correct input- or else the ground gets in the way

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12-22-2008 09:13 PM  8 years agoPost 18
red_z06

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Here is another method.
I call it the "Bash it into your brain method."

This method works for my old brain. For young people, there maybe other method that maybe better.

Do not focus on whether to push/pull or left/right just do whatever it takes to get it to hover without moving.

On sim, you can do this without aids. But on RC heli, use the training gear as you do when learing the tail-in hover.

Start from the ground in nose-in attitude and get it to hover without thinking about directions.

www.JustinJee.com

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12-22-2008 09:40 PM  8 years agoPost 19
JetFire

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Start from the ground in nose-in attitude and get it to hover without thinking about directions.
You lost me 'Red'. How are you suppose to get it to hover if your not thinking about direction so you can make the right inputs? Perhaps I'm older than you are... LoL.


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12-22-2008 09:45 PM  8 years agoPost 20
red_z06

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By repeatition, just the way you first learned how to hover tail-in. You certainly can use little tricks like "push toward lower wing". But, less you think about it, better it will be. Hopefully you will push toward the wrong direction only one time. So, if you pushed it the wrong way, try the opposite way the next time.

At least that is how I learned backward, inv forward, inv backward circuits (on sim with gazillion crashes) .

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