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12-22-2008 07:12 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Uncle Joe

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Irwin, Pa. USA

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May I ask why your promoting Wildcat Fuels? Not all my customers like Wildcat products. I'm speaking of all fuels. My customers ask very direct questions and look for answers that will direct their spending in the future. I see harder times ahead when the price to feed a hobby becomes to much.

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12-22-2008 07:19 PM  8 years agoPost 22
CoronaL

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b/c I like them and I don't really care for coolpower. I can't comment on magnum as I never tried them.

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12-22-2008 07:29 PM  8 years agoPost 23
JEEPWORLD2002

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BLUEBELL PA USA

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as far as i know wildcats- jerry is only one on here and is always more then helpful with any fuel related ?s. my lhs has 2 other brands for cars and planks but 75% nitro sold there is cy30% helimix + they order 100+ cases at a time. I also think they are the cleanest nitro as far as their nitric acid levels which is all about their blend of the purest nitro + they use klots oil and little higher amounts to keep our heli engines running longer they will get my $ any day

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12-22-2008 08:29 PM  8 years agoPost 24
Uncle Joe

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Nice to hear loyalty, my customers use Wildcat. Magnum, Cool power, and Power Master. I have to keep in touch with all of them.

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12-22-2008 08:39 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Santiago P

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South West, Ohio

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There are quite a number of people here able and willing to help with fuel issues. I started hovering around here a few months ago and have plenty of experience with Powermaster, Cool Power, Wildcat and others. A few other guys I meet here with amazing engine tuning experience and understanding of combustion mechanics. We can't get to all the posts, and we don't post, when the obvious is been stated, but we try. My main driver is to help and give back to a hobby that’s being big part of my life for over 30 years. I do occasionally bite the snare of an interesting discussion like this one.
cheers

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12-22-2008 08:40 PM  8 years agoPost 26
JEEPWORLD2002

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uncle joe do you own a shop ? or club

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12-22-2008 09:43 PM  8 years agoPost 27
choppertrike

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evansville, in, usa

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its simple, heli manufactures meet public​demand, gas helis

the heli, manufactures need to address it, build better engines that run on gasoline only, weed eaters do, original cost high, but long term is great. remember the big three did not follow the hand writting on the wall, so goes the heli business too.

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12-22-2008 10:20 PM  8 years agoPost 28
tarmack

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Ky USA

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Gassers have been around for years, just not the performance of Nitro. Batteries you pay $800 buck for around 100 flights..if you don't crash and destroy the pack then your out the whole thing. Nitro is the best bang for the buck.

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12-23-2008 01:40 AM  8 years agoPost 29
electricdarr

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Pa

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I can end all this discussion with just one question....

What is the cost to manufacture one gallon of fuel.

But just like gasoline we will never know....

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12-23-2008 03:04 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Uncle Joe

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I manage the heli accounts and customers for a shop in the Pittsburgh area.

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12-23-2008 12:33 PM  8 years agoPost 31
tarmack

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Ky USA

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Electric,

What does that matter? I look at the cost per flight, on the Raptor I get 10 flights per gallon on 30% that is around $2.30/flight. On electric if you get the average number of cycles on a $675.00 pack it is $6.75/flight. Even if you want to claim you charge it perfectly and double the charges it still $3.37/flight, not to mention that each succesive charge you get less power and duration. Not to mention if the charge goes wrong you set you house on fire.

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12-23-2008 03:55 PM  8 years agoPost 32
nighttrain

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Louisville KY

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What is the cost to manufacture one gallon of fuel?

It's pretty close to the Wildcat price, plus any LHS markup. Period.
Like Jerry said, it's a tiny profit/ gallon X a great volume, just like your local gas station. Since WC does such a huge fantastic volume, it's profit per gallon is tiny. Also, it's the best square deal. It doesn't give away free fuel to pro pilots and charge the ave Joe more to cover the loss. It's just plain square dealing w/ customers that has produced intense loyalty throughout the world. You just can't beat this business model, or great fuel.

Doug Trent
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12-23-2008 10:12 PM  8 years agoPost 33
Santiago P

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South West, Ohio

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All the other companies follow the same business model, at least the ones I know. None of them make a huge profit per gallon, best described as "tiny" like nighttrain said. The cost of shipping is a killer. This is why we all can get better deals when Jerry and the rest take fuel to big events and we save on the shipping. One of my LHS actually drives to KY to pick up their load of fuel because it is cheaper than having it shipped.

This year take advantage when the companies bring fuel to the events, they are doing us a favor and saving us money when they transport the fuel. It is a crime to see any of them drive home with fuel in their trailers.

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12-24-2008 03:09 PM  8 years agoPost 34
nighttrain

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MoneyPit you are correct. Wildcat brings a semi full. I wonder how many cases can fit in a semi.

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12-25-2008 05:45 AM  8 years agoPost 35
Uncle Joe

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Then I would pose the question; why can Wildcat keep the fuel prices in the $20's while others are in the $40's?

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12-25-2008 06:21 AM  8 years agoPost 36
Santiago P

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South West, Ohio

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UncleJoe, who are "the others" and can you name some examples of the products in the 40s.
Are you referring to retail outlets like Tower? As it was written earlier, the manufacturers cannot control what the retailer’s final price to the public is.

But I agree, $40/gal plus SH is a gross markup anywhere here in the States.

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12-25-2008 06:51 AM  8 years agoPost 37
xcell1

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Massillon Ohio

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Wildcat Fuels ROCK they are the best in rc...

Home Grown in South Carolina

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12-31-2008 01:01 PM  8 years agoPost 38
Uncle Joe

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Irwin, Pa. USA

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Retail outlets, LHS do not place large mark-up's on their inventory. That would make them unable to compete in the market place. Fuels typicaly get a low margin banking on other item that may be purchaced. When tracktor-trailers show up selling at cost, how can anyone adjust.

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12-31-2008 01:21 PM  8 years agoPost 39
Pinecone

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Maryalnd

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It depends on when the place bought the fuel. Over the summer, nitro was in short supply and nitro and methanol prices spiked. If someone stocked up at this time, because they could get fuel at all, they could be stuck with higher priced fuel, until they sell it off.

If it was my LHS, I would maybe offer to pay their costs to move the more expensive fuel (buying a reasonable amount) so that they could get a new stock of cheaper fuel for the shelves. Of course, some shop owners will not be able to figure out how this would benefit them.

Terry
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12-31-2008 02:56 PM  8 years agoPost 40
tarmack

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Ky USA

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I have seen many different prices out there since I travel alot. Some stores in the south had 30% at $27-$32 dollars a gallon and I saw all the way up to $45 a gallon. It just depends on the store owner. The worst was Hobbytown but they are mainly a car place so you got to figure thatin I guess.

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