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12-23-2008 04:23 PM  8 years agoPost 81
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I know a wealthy gent that pays me to build or re-build his helis for him. He knows how to do it, but he runs his family business and some side businesses and to him its all about time. He has plenty of money and Time to him is very valuable,
its worth 500 bucks to him to have a heli built and set up right ready to fly then to spend his valuable time building one.

Will I help a newbie at the field with his setup for free? You bet!

But will I build someones heli for them for free just because they dont have the "time"? Nope.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-23-2008 04:43 PM  8 years agoPost 82
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$500 ? What the? You aren't really charging $500 to build one helicopter for him are you? I don't care how wealthy he is that's just crazy.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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12-23-2008 04:53 PM  8 years agoPost 83
broggyr

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To clarify, I think there is a difference between being offered the money and charging the money. One would be a gift ("Thanks for doing that, take this for your time!" ) as opposed to charging ("That's $50/hr X 10 hours. Pay Up!" ). Not as cut-and-dried as that, but you get my meaning (I hope!)

However, I'd also say if it was your job or business to build and setup helis for those that cannot or don't have time or are otherwise unable, and you have customers lining up cash-in-hand, then so be it!

- Brian
irony [ay-ruh-nee', ay-er-nee'] adj.: Like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron

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12-23-2008 05:12 PM  8 years agoPost 84
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Actually I charged him 300 but for the past five helis he has allways given me a 200 dollar bonus. And it doesnt take me 10 hours, I take my time to make sure it is done right, closer to 20 to do a complete build with radio setup. These weren't trex 600s.
He is a Very happy customer and I do a good job.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-23-2008 05:20 PM  8 years agoPost 85
TMoore

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$500 ? What the? You aren't really charging $500 to build one helicopter for him are you? I don't care how wealthy he is that's just crazy.
Truth is stranger than fiction.

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12-23-2008 05:25 PM  8 years agoPost 86
whirlyspud

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I have built a few machines for $500 or more. This was not for a hobbiest though. It was more than I thought it was worth, but I did not really want to do the Job so I bid it high. I ended up getting the job anyway. The machines went on to be used to test various autonomous systems.

I am always willing to help someone for free, but the days of me building machines for someone for free are long gone.

Mike

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12-23-2008 05:30 PM  8 years agoPost 87
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I am always willing to help someone for free, but the days of me building machines for someone for free are long gone.
Amen to that!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-23-2008 05:56 PM  8 years agoPost 88
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I will build helis for some folks. I charge a flat $100 fee for a build. This basically covers my consumables like grease, oil, zipties, loctite, and velcro. It's also good for keeping my tools up to date. I also take my time and add some nice touches. For example, I now use less zipties and more wax string for securing wiring, just like in full scale aviation. I also tie off servo connections and/or include connector locks. I have a few conditions when accepting a new build, the biggest being I must have everything needed to complete the build up front. I hate having to wait for someone to send me an engine or a servo half way through the build, and have to keep parts sorted out until I can complete the step.

I love building a new heli, but I don't do rebuilds. If I did, they'd be double the fee.

Erich

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12-23-2008 06:10 PM  8 years agoPost 89
jsenicka

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I work from home, and usually need a garage project to keep me from going insane, or saying something career limiting at work. I sneak out for an hour at lunch, and for a bit before the wife gets home.
I enjoy the building and fixing as much as flying, and I spend waaaay to much money on my own fleet as it is doing upgrades, maintenance, etc....
So I have started taking on heli projects for a couple close friends. I build/rebuild for them. I get my heli bench time, at no cost to me. I usually pick up something out of the deal, like new battery packs, tools, etc. Less than $100, but not free.

My only rule is I only build for guys that can build their own as well as or better than me. I don't want to fly with guys who don't understand the mechanical side.

Just finished a R90SE/G-Force rebuild for Arrio. He let's me fly his toys, and has been teaching me piro flips, backwards aerobatics and a few other things. All in all a good deal, and he threw me a brand new 4 cell LiIon to boot!

Jim Senicka
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12-23-2008 07:40 PM  8 years agoPost 90
TMoore

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My only rule is I only build for guys that can build their own as well as or better than me. I don't want to fly with guys who don't understand the mechanical side.
I can think of a lot of dudes that this applies to.

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12-23-2008 08:04 PM  8 years agoPost 91
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ErichF: You actually charge people $100 to build a heli? Man, I could never do that...I actually enjoy it and do it for free.

To each his own I guess, but I've NEVER had anyone ever charge me for any help they've ever given in RC and I have never charged anyone either. The majority of folk I know in RC are that way.

Skarn

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12-23-2008 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 92
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Yeah, that's from a kit in a box to a flight check. That's not helping someone...that's providing a service. Big difference. Have you ever had someone do a complete build for you? Have you done it for someone else before? I'm not talking about helping someone setup a gyro, pitch curve, or other after-build tasks.

I give all kinds of help at the field, at events, on any heli, for free, including to the client for whom I just did a build.

Like I said, the $100 build fee covers mostly just incidentals, not time. If you broke it down to just time, it'd be about $5 per hour. That's beans compare to professional airplane or heli builders out there, whose standard for a build fee can be as high as kit cost.

Here's an example of a professional builder:
http://www.taylormadehelicopters.com/index.html

Don't take a service I provide to others desiring it out of context.

Erich

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12-23-2008 08:25 PM  8 years agoPost 93
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At 100 bucks, it is not like Erich is getting rich. Whats that work out to, a couple bucks an hour?

Helping someone is not the same thing. I'll help anyone with anything that I can, but that ends at the point where they want me to build and set up a machine for them. I have done it for free many times in the past, but not any more. Granted, I have torn down a machine and fixed it for free at the field for a friend, and still will if they need the help.

Free time is a very limited thing for me these days, so if you want some of it, you will have to pay. Help is still free, but not 20 or 30 hours that I would spend building and setting up a machine.
I love building helicopters, but I love spending time with my kids even more. If I'm going to cut in to that time, it has to be worth it.

Mike

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12-24-2008 03:51 PM  8 years agoPost 94
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I totally agree with the last post. Like i said earlier there comes a time after many free repairs that you need to accept money for your time. ( I have never asked to be paid, but will take it when it is offered)

There are times at the field i can be there for 8 hours and spend 5 of them working on other people stuff, in this case it is done to help out a friend.

We all lead busy lives and time at home with the family is limited, so if i am asked to do a complete build from kit to RTF there is going to be some type of charge. Now if the guy is willing to come over and help than that is a different story. Still in the end you are really only making 2-3 dollars an hour, not going to get rich doing that.

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12-25-2008 02:56 PM  8 years agoPost 95
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Whirly imparted much Heli knowledge to this planker, for free, or for something more valuable than money, friendship.

I in turn, for something more valuable than money, friendship, helped him with his gasser plank. May it R.I.P.

Mike is awesome an Heli-pod&boom, Heli-scale master.

When he saw me making my "firsts" with my T-Rex 450 he literally shoved his TX in my hands to try his Raptor, telling me....

"Just like the Gasser Planes are more stable, this is more stable than your Trex....hover this...no worries."

Damn it , if it did not set the heli hook into me. I now own that Raptor, and have since stuck into a Fuse, built a R90, Trex 600, MX400, and a Spectra G. All while consulting Mike and picking at his considerable knowledge stored in his grey matter.

I can see someone who is deep in the hobby, life changing events happen, you get busy, and ask one of your flying buddies to help you out in the build dept. Paying someone to build your stuff becomes a necessity for some.

There are some who abuse it, but they are the exception not the rule. And they don't stay in the hobby long anyway, because thier heart is not in it.

I believe you need to fully understand the machine , most do. It comes with repairing something or building something. People are very busy in todays' world, with many things. If paying someone, who enjoys the task, to build your aircraft well, keeps you in the camraderie of the hobby, bless you and the builder.

We have an Old-timer who builds planks, rebuild engines, etc, for our members....and fits that description to a "T". We love him, and the refrain at the field is..."give it to Gene, he'll rebuild it better than new!!"..

Maybe when Whirly's kids grow up, he will be the Old-timer Heli builder ...I already know quite a few guys that would stand in line to get a heli built by him. They saw the Raptor I got from him not needing a single screw turned for more than a year.

Why Hover a Yak, when a Heli does it better?

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12-25-2008 03:34 PM  8 years agoPost 96
wthford

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I can't even believe this sorry excuse for a topic is still alive...

Oh, and BTW, Merry Christmas everybody!!

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12-25-2008 11:40 PM  8 years agoPost 97
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lets look at it this way.
How long did it take you to learn how to properly build and setup a heli? a few years perhaps?
Some of you will answer a few months, to that I say you still have things to learn.
People in general have money these days, but are time poor.
How much is time with friends or family worth to you?
Helping a fellow pilot with some problems or helping guide someone on a build in your own time is not building a heli.
On average for a 90 size heli, I take anywhere between 15 and 20hrs.
Maybe more depending on any issues.

So , its taken you a long time to learn how to build properly, thats training.

You are building an entire helicopter, thats a service

People that do training to provide a service generally charge a fee for that.

If you dont want to thats fine.

But its TOTAL highbrow BS to criticise another person for charging a rate for their time and expertise.
No'one is forcing the payee to cough up.
Most times it is offered.
What YOU charge is YOUR choice, as its YOUR time away from doing your own things with friends and family.
So how can a 3rd party person (ie: a RR member with nothing to do with the 2 people involved) say that its too much money?
Is it your time, no. If you enjoy it and dont want to charge thats great, good for you.
Im happy for you that you love the hobby that much.
But for a lot of people, you learn to build because you NEED too, not because you love it.

All Im trying to say, is respect other peoples decisions on what they do or do not charge. For all you know that builder works 10hr days and has a wife and 3 young kids.
How much is his time worth? IMO about $400-$500 for a complete turn key build with field support for the 1st runs.
If he/she (yes there are females in the hobby, and yes they can build too lol) wants to charge more or less, thats their business.

Anyway, thats my morning coffee rant
If you disagree, well..... meh

For the love of the hobby

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12-26-2008 12:55 AM  8 years agoPost 98
relax1

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I enjoy flying more then building. But I rather build my own this way if I miss anything is my own fault. I don't mind helping others at the field , as long as there willing to participate . The ones that are lazy and just want you to take care of all there problems I avoid.

Luis

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12-27-2008 05:55 PM  8 years agoPost 99
bagobitz

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I can't believe it's got to five pages and nobody's mentioned

Manny Lalo !

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12-27-2008 06:09 PM  8 years agoPost 100
legoman67

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i believe that building is half the skill and fun. Building the heli yourself and then watching it lift off for the first time. You learn just as much when you building as you do when you fly. Also, if you dont build it yourself good luck troubleshooting even the simplist issues.

Ok, so maybe you first heli you get someone else to build. Thats fine, but maybe watch and help were you can so you learn a thing or 2.

I know for me i bought my first heli used(bad mistake) In the end i pretty much rebuilt it to make it airworthy. My buddy at the field helped alot and spent hours looking over the bird to make sure it was ready.

After that i bought a raptor 50. Using what i had learned i did the best i could at setting it up. Then my buddy checked it over and it was in the air less then an hour after we got there.

My third heli i built and setup all on my own. What a great feeling!!

I have done 4 or 5 more since then, the maidens are the best part!

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