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12-14-2008 06:01 AM  9 years agoPost 1
jameswill4

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Any good guys too outdated?? what do you guys think. I flew raptors a while back and always liked them. Is it a bad decision???

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12-14-2008 08:27 AM  9 years agoPost 2
flying buffalo

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The Titan is still a very good all-rounder, easy to repair, easy to get parts and heaps of bling and upgrades available for it if you feel the need. And now with the TT53 redline engine, the combination really rocks. But I'm yet to fly any other brand of heli so I guess I'm biased. cheers

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12-14-2008 08:32 AM  9 years agoPost 3
Robco

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I heard they were a really good Heli. btw i'm from Pineville. Robco

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12-14-2008 11:09 AM  9 years agoPost 4
phillips942

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Dont Sleep On A Titan...

The only reason they are not as popular is because Align has stolen the attention from every other performing helicopter out there. I have a Raptor Titan and she flies like the best of em. Only thing people might not like is the mechanical setup unlike CCPM which is in every heli coming out these days. Personally i have no problem with it. They've made it stronger by devising the push-pull linkages for the servo pushrods and everything is pretty well setup. I love my raptor...

Here's a few pics:

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12-14-2008 12:35 PM  9 years agoPost 5
BarracudaHockey

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Good helicopter, high availability of parts and high availablity of information.

Has a few weak points (like all helicopters) but they are well known and easily corrected.

Its heavier by half a pound or so than the 600n so its not as wild in 3d but its more stable in the wind and tougher.

If you decide to get one order the one piece tail hub and a metal head block and washout base. If you really want the best out of it I would say a Kasama head is the way to go but if you're going to spend that much money, get a Vibe 50 and have the best in class.
Titan 50 review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/...?article_id=836

Vibe 50 review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/...article_id=1007

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12-14-2008 02:26 PM  9 years agoPost 6
Rbush

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Go with a Rator Titan, you just can't go wrong, but you MUST get the SUS tail hub. The alloy head block is a so so part. If your running high a HS and 3D, you'll need it. The Kasama head is fantastic and better than the standard head.

I would say that even though the Titan+Kasama+SUS hub is the same price as a Vibe 50, I think if I were spending my money again, I would still buy the Titan!!!

And yes, I do own all the above! look at my gallery and old posts.

I see that TT are now doing some nice new 3D painted canopys as well as the older 3D canopys, a good combo

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12-14-2008 03:09 PM  9 years agoPost 7
Leopaul

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You could not be wrong, quality/price excellent!!

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12-14-2008 04:06 PM  9 years agoPost 8
devens2448

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Raptor over T-rex

I have both and I like my Raptor better.

Things I dont' like about the T-rex:

1. Carbon frame is $65 per side vs $28 for both halves of a Titan. Havn't had to buy one yet but the gear is screwed to the frame and the frame is very thin and light and I know it will break!

2. Shaft driven tail = more $ in parts

3. The head is blocky looking. Looks like it was designed by a by a Pro E rookie. I imagine it is that way to speed the CNC process and cost less.

4. The head is an ugly green color with ugly blue and black as upgrades. (Mine is getting a Kasama flybarless head)

Things I like about the t-rex:

1. More room for electronics although with the new AR7100, smaller govs, and 8717 servos that can handle 7.2v lees electronics are being mounted.

2. Glass canopy

3. 3 head blocks ( 2 work fine on raptor but more has to be better )

4. Cost of kit with carbon main/tail blades and paddles and glass canopy.

I love do love my Raptor best but it is a highbred. Kasama, Quick UK, Raptor and Align.

BTW the T-Rex 600E canopy fits great on a Raptor!!! I will come back and post a pic.

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12-14-2008 05:23 PM  9 years agoPost 9
jameswill4

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what about over a vibe, my wife is actually bying me a new kit for christmas and I am just trying to decide.

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12-14-2008 05:34 PM  9 years agoPost 10
ady

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go for a titan for sure , learn to fly it and wind all the others up , its a very good heli indeed and can do lots n lots , i`ve had several rex`s in various states of tune but the rappy is the one i`ll fly for ever

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12-14-2008 05:35 PM  9 years agoPost 11
BarracudaHockey

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The only advantage the Raptor or Trex have over the Vibe is price, but if you bling up either the price is a wash and neither are as nice.

Andy
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12-14-2008 08:25 PM  9 years agoPost 12
Rbush

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Put it this way, I've just bought a Vibe last week. It was ready to fly yesterday. I'm now selling it. It's never left my table!!

I'm buying ANOTHER Titan and fitting the SUS hub and Kasama head.

I don't think the Vibe 50 is all that people say it is !!!

£420, top quality? No way !!!!!!!

Just buy the Titan and except it's not the fastest 50 out there. I can tell you, you'll get LESS problems with a Raptor, FACT!!!

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12-14-2008 08:38 PM  9 years agoPost 13
norsman

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What went wrong with the Vibe??

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12-14-2008 09:00 PM  9 years agoPost 14
tim deakin

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I like the Titan,I think its a nice heli. I agree you'll need the metal center hub to get good fast forward flight. As far as weight goes I wouldn't worry to much about that. I have seen some outstanding flying with Raptors. I'm sure there are no tricks or moves that can be done with the T-rex or the Vibe that cant be done with the raptor. I might be wrong?

Plus its a very easy heli to build, set-up and fly. You'll need a few more skills to get good results out of a vibe. And the t-rex (which I also like very much) can fall apeart every now and again! lol

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12-14-2008 09:12 PM  9 years agoPost 15
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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Tim speaks the truth, its a lot more about the fuel you burn practicing than the helicopter you buy.

RBush, I'm also wondering what your issue was with the Vibe.

Andy
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12-14-2008 09:41 PM  9 years agoPost 16
norsman

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Any of you guys know where to get the Enya #3 plugs??

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12-14-2008 09:49 PM  9 years agoPost 17
Heli 770

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Heliproz.

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12-14-2008 10:56 PM  9 years agoPost 18
Rbush

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As many will know, I have been spending most of the last 18 months trying to avoid spending £420 on an air-frame, despite the fact that it was the heli for me (so I have been told).

I have wasted many many ££££'s maybe even lost more than a thousand (loseing about £100 per bad heli kit) trying to find a heli that is better than a Raptor !!

Put simply, I FAILED !!!

I was told the Vibe:-
flies the best,
has the best quality,
has the best reliability,
runs for the longest before a major service,
looks the best,
flies the straightest,
Is the most stable,
etc etc etc......

But also cost the most, and despite JR having lowered their parts prices, the spares are a little more than a Raptor.

So having spent my £'s on almost every 50 out there over the last 18 months, I ended up with the Vibe 50 last week because all the other heli's failed in some way or another !!!

So did the Vibe 50

JR say the list price of the Vibe 50 is set to rise by at least 20% next January, maybe even as much as 50% in the UK. OK, so it's expensive, but it's still the best in quality.

NO !!

I've not flown my Vibe because I don't want to lose more money than I will. But the Vibe has a problem with vibration that can and does rip the tail boom at the tail gearbox causing the tail to depart from the model. There are some things you can do to stop this.

1/ Dial the fan hub in, to less than 0.0005"
2/ Balance the clutch
3/ Balance the blades
4/ Balance the head as a whole
5/ Balance the tail rotor as a whole
6/ Make sure the frames are totally square
7/ Make sure the gears are properly meshed
8/ make sure the clutch is perfectly lined up with the bell.

(very little of the above you have to do on a Raptor)

Then you have the next problem, the 'Vibe 50 hum'

This seems to be one of two things

1/ the stock tail blades (use 92mm carbon blades max)
2/ out of balance fan hub. (do it again and again and again etc etc)

Right, OK, so I've done all the above on my £420 brand new model (the most expensive mainstream heli out there) I'm ready to fly after setting everything up. I picked the heli up to put it on my other table with the other models and there is a clunk that came from the head??

Do you know what made the 'clunk'?? This very expensive, top quality fantastic model has had it's head block machined over size

How is that for top quality?? Sure, I can send it back, have it replaced under warranty, but why should I? I've just spent £420 on a top of the line model, missed a perfect weekend of flying, now I'm going to have to PAY to send this part back to somebody. I'm then going to have to WAIT for them to return it through the Christmas post. Plus the UK is having a postage strike on this coming Friday! In all the years I have owned, fixed and flown Raptors have I never had one part that did not fit as it should !! FACT!!

So to sum up, the vibe is:-
expensive,
has to be built like a watch,
fussy on tail blades,
prone to vibration,
rips it's tail off,
not very nicely made canopy glassing
AND is NOT immune to faulty components within the kit.

All this for £420.

On the other had, the Raptor is

Cheap £245
Easy to fix
parts can be bought from anywhere
fly's OK (better with Kasama head)
can use any blades
does not need to be fantastically well built
has no vibration problems
totally reliable
etc etc etc....

The Raptor is the best model you can buy today when the whole package is looked at as a whole. No, it may not be the fastest 3D machine about, but maybe the others have gone too far and compromised other things like stability for the sport flyer and toughness??

So my Vibe is going (unflown) and just as soon as I can get some cash back, my money is on a Titan+Kasama+SUS tail+ the new yellow 3D canopy PV6067Y.

I will just live with a slightly slower model. This is the price to pay for real quality and durability. I can now see why people here say "don't fix what is not broken"

1st place Raptor

Please remember, the info above has been earnt through much expense, heartache, disappointment and bad luck over the last 18 months, just look at my gallery and old posts !!
Rob.

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12-14-2008 11:08 PM  9 years agoPost 19
BarracudaHockey

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Sorry to hear about your troubles.

The only weak point on the vibe is the stock tail blades need to be thrown in the trash. Any kit can have a bad part get out, it happens.

It's not a plastic fantastic and needs a bit of skill to build but the end result is well worth it. You can slap together a Raptor or you can spend some time and build it right, your end result will be in direct relation to the time and effort you put into it, no matter what kit you purchase.

Andy
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12-14-2008 11:18 PM  9 years agoPost 20
Rbush

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The only troubles I had with the Vibe so far is the head block. But I expect no troubles in a top class kit costing £420. Call me harsh, but that's the way it is with me. But you must keep in mind the well documented problem with the Vibe tail.

Building the Vibe 50 using the old methods is not hard, it's just you don't need to with a Raptor. Bolt it up on your table, set it up well, and it will fly well. Finished.

I've never had any troubles with a Raptor except for the standard tail hub.

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