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HelicopterAerial Photography and Video › Any operators interested in developing an, Industry Code of Practice?
12-14-2008 03:35 AM  8 years agoPost 1
patrickegan

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This is aimed mainly toward those in the UK and Europe, but the offer is open to all.

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12-15-2008 03:38 PM  8 years agoPost 2
patrickegan

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So, you’ll be happy with whatever the government (that knows very little about what you do), comes up with, or just overwhelmed?

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12-15-2008 03:50 PM  8 years agoPost 3
rerazor

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Why are you involved with UK or Europe industry?

Robert

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12-15-2008 04:10 PM  8 years agoPost 4
patrickegan

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I was invited to join the International coordination council (ICC) to represent the RCAPA, an industry based commercial advocacy group after my presentation at UAS 2008 in Paris earlier this year. Background on the purpose and structure of the ICC

http://rcapa.net/RCAPA%20Reporter/site/

The UK CAA has given the industry a chance to self regulate by asking for an “Industry Code of Practice” This effort could have global ramifications that are beneficial to us as a community.

More information on the open source effort http://www.rcapa.net/forums/showthr...p?p=101#post101

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12-15-2008 04:27 PM  8 years agoPost 5
papatango

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I think the hobbyist AP types are content with government regs, and professional AP'ers have the resources and intellect to deal with the current policies on their own.
Thats likely why, after a hundred views, your post went unanswered, and you had to troll with fear monger tactics just to get a bite.
I doubt your own professional AP experience validates your self declared "leader of the pack" status, I don't recall seeing you name on movie credits, or any awards/acheivements listed on your site for innovation, artistic merit, technical or otherwise.

Perhaps when you've made a formal introduction to all the lads here, and they've gained your trust and respect, then you can attempt to court their interests.....
But to stand up in a crowded forum and say "Follow me or suffer the consequences", well that's just asking for it.

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12-15-2008 04:35 PM  8 years agoPost 6
patrickegan

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Hmmm, okay whatever that is supposed to mean. Anyway, no fear mongering here, just being proactive about the future of this industry (and the hobby). If you care to educate yourself the information is out there for you to read.

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12-15-2008 04:47 PM  8 years agoPost 7
papatango

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And here's a little light reading for you, too.

http://learningdisabilities.about.c...cial_Skills.htm

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12-15-2008 04:53 PM  8 years agoPost 8
patrickegan

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Now we know why the old lady ran out on you!

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12-15-2008 05:08 PM  8 years agoPost 9
papatango

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My signature is satyrical; unlike your future in the industry, my marriage is well intact.

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12-15-2008 05:12 PM  8 years agoPost 10
patrickegan

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Well, she's a lucky lady No need to get snarky

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12-15-2008 05:19 PM  8 years agoPost 11
trackhead

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Go to your rooms, both of you. No dinner for either of you tonight!

Chores in the morning, all day.

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12-15-2008 05:49 PM  8 years agoPost 12
patrickegan

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More information on the ICC other groups affiliations and motives behind all of the activities.

http://www.uvs-tech.com/doc/UVSI_%20bgrd_activ.pdf

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12-15-2008 06:01 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Badllarma

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This is aimed mainly toward those in the UK and Europe, but the offer is open to all.

Location: Sacramento, CA

You know where I stand patrickegan I really wonder what your true motivations are better still, you have all that nice weather in CA why don't you just do more flying and less talking to officials in other country's.

Sorry all but this guy gets right up my nose I would not dream of coming over there to the US and sticking my nose into FAA issues.

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12-15-2008 06:36 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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papatango

You have a big mouth (letters)for somebody who has been only 166 days a member of this forum.

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12-15-2008 06:56 PM  8 years agoPost 15
patrickegan

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As is the case in Oz (hmmm), we are not allowed to legally fly commercial operations. Again, read the link above and maybe dig into the Eurocae material. It will give you a better handle on the Global airspace integration effort.

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12-15-2008 09:01 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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Papatango might have a large mouth, but he said what many have thought...

Pat, you are not yet qualified to act as a liaison with government if you cannot handle fellow forum members gunning you....we're kittens compared to the tigers you are going to meet.

I think its great you are courting big names and trying to let them know what we are doing, but you're not the only one working through this stuff.

Regulation is a double edged sword and you are fighting for who gets to grab the blade. Do you know those tags on mattresses? Its illegal to tear them off....thats where AP is right now and where I would like to keep it.

I think many others will agree.....its better not to be noticed and no one really knows or cares that way.

Yes the future of AP looks bleak (the certain inevitability of an accident combined with the growing stupidity of people is a certain conclusion for regulation).....but we have the ability to determine our fate, whether formally organized, unanimously in agreement, or not.

Right now, the best ambassadors to the industry are the people out there doing it right and giving it a good face.

If anything needs to be codified, AP operators need to learn about fullsize airspace, weather, and the stuff thats common sense to flying. Situational awareness isnt something that can be written down into a code, but it can be trained, so if there needs to be a code, how about making a school instead?

Then I suppose we can fight over who gets to run it Ah yes the human condition.

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12-15-2008 10:29 PM  8 years agoPost 17
FLAP

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Do you know those tags on mattresses? Its illegal to tear them off....thats where AP is right now and where I would like to keep it.
I think many others will agree.....its better not to be noticed and no one really knows or cares that way.
Well said. I was thinking more along the lines of Horton hears a Who...with us AP'ers being the Whos that no one would have known, or cared, about until that bloody big earred elephant came along and pointed out their existance. But the mattress tag analogy works better.

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12-15-2008 11:58 PM  8 years agoPost 18
BigguyOz

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Give me a break!

Once more, RR demonstrates how to screw up a logical thread and turn it into a pit of venom and vitriole.

If Mr Egan was the monster so many people seem keen to portray him as, why would he ask others to put together an Industry code of Practice? Wouldn't he take the opportunity to create his own, based on his alleged "ulterior motive"? Maybe he just doesn't have an ulterior motive?

As for the ostrich syndrome, this is so naive as to be laughable.
think many others will agree.....its better not to be noticed and no one really knows or cares that way.
Look what happened in Australia! Without any input from actual RC AP participants, draconian regulations were imposed which have effectively killed off the RC AP industry. THAT is the direct result of the ostrich syndrome.

Patrick and the RCAPA are simply trying to avoid a similar fate befalling other areas, and in this particular case, the CAA themselves have asked the industry to put together a Code of Practice.

Enjoy the sand up your nose!

Tony Stott

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12-16-2008 12:55 AM  8 years agoPost 19
Envision

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I've always wondered of motives... Spending so much money, traveling world wide to accomplish everything you have done, yet I've only ever known of your aircraft to be a slowstick.

I've seen posts on RCU, and RR but the only place you and Joe usually post is on RCG. I've jumped on board the free advertising you seem to take advantage of there, but I don't plaster my posts with link upon link to another site. Even paid advertising is only allowed to do that once a week. I am aware that you can reply to questions, but the replies are even plastered with the same links.

Straight, to the point with one link would seem sufficient. Perhaps being direct would work better than asking for people to guess what your all about. Pure truth. This happens every time you post and I've began to ignore topics you start just to stay out of the fight.

For a while Real Ira was the spokesperson and things started to turn for the better. I have no idea what happened but it went back to the same old methods with more intensity.

I take APer's as the artistic type, independent on every decision they make whether it's right or wrong. Then taking a path to get what they want. Regulations will not prevent anyone from doing anything, they will just be adapted to with whatever means are necessary. It's the same in any industry...

What do I see this all leading to?

Manufacturers of aircraft AP specific, legal only if purchased and trained from/by the manufacturer and someone that can travel around certifying crafts of other sorts which would also include training. Who better to take that job than someone already deep into it.

Now, back off to my quiet little corner to watch things unravel. Better yet, unsubscribe...

Troy

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12-16-2008 01:23 AM  8 years agoPost 20
d-bledsoe

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I have tried to stay well out of patrickegan and rcapa threads but i feel compelled to speak up now.

Patrick, if i need a liaison to talk with governments about my AP involvment(which is quite vast, varied and large) i will liaison myself... I DO NOT want the adgenda of someone else's representing "my needs/wants". Have you ever asked what i want? no... Then i dont need you telling the government USA or UK what i want, what rules and regs i need.

So please for people like me, who do this stuff as a means of more then a hobby, stay the F out of government talks on my behalf.

Derek Bledsoe

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