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12-13-2008 11:31 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Oneshotone

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Sarasota, FL

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Need advice on a beginner helicopter that is better than CX2 outdoors:
In the future I will get a sim and heli w/rotor. However, I cannot spend the time on the sim at the moment and I enjoy flying the CX2 although it does not have enough power in slight windy conditions
Are there any electric or gas powered helis that can be used outdoors by a beginner and perform better outdoors than a CX2 in slight winds? Possibly the same question stated differently: Are there any gas or electric helis that can be "modified/rotor disabled/etc" so that I could fly it as a beginner and learn the sim/rotor later when I have more time.......
I would like to have a heli that is bigger, better and more power than the CX2 that I will not demolish as a beginner. Does any such heli exist?

Thanks much for any advice!!!

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12-13-2008 11:45 PM  8 years agoPost 2
rotormonkey

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'fraid not. Any heli out there that can take a little wind is going to have a tail rotor. Which means it won't be inherently stable like your CX. The ONLY option as far as I know is to get a CP heli, and get a stabilization system like the helicommand rigid.

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12-14-2008 12:02 AM  8 years agoPost 3
Gearhead

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what you need is an electric Chinook, but not really a good first heli..

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12-14-2008 12:20 AM  8 years agoPost 4
JRjoe

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Get a sim and use it.

Go to the beginners section and start reading. You'll find that most all your questions have already been asked and answered in some form another.

Once upon a time the were no cx2's and pretty much no electric little helis to start out with. Lots of us started and learned on 30 size nitro birds. If you can find an instructor it would be the best way to go. I did it that way, listened to what he said and made it into forward flight, loops and rolls before having my first crash.


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12-14-2008 01:07 AM  8 years agoPost 5
bstock

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There is one actually - look at the Hirobo Quark.

Hirobo's are actually known for their quality. I have never flown one... but have heard some good things about it.

Check RC Heli's website. They reviewed it... and they post 1 review from each month on the website. They might have it up there.

Edit:
I just checked... it is up there

http://rchelimag.com/pages/reviews.php

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12-14-2008 05:33 PM  8 years agoPost 6
fiveoboy01

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He specifically said he's looking for a heli WITHOUT a tail rotor....

If you have time to fly the CX2, then you have time to sim. Get a sim.

Mikado Logo 400, hopefully ready by spring.

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12-14-2008 05:55 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Oneshotone

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Thanks much for the input, all is good.

Sure is alot of helpful advice/knowledge on this site!!!

Any other suggestions are appreciated also.

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12-15-2008 09:19 PM  8 years agoPost 8
krashtagain

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ohio

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Change your setup on the CX2 and it will fly in light wind conditions.Just becareful with stick management

If you're not living on the edge you're just taking up space !

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12-15-2008 09:21 PM  8 years agoPost 9
JetFire

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Are there any electric or gas powered helis that can be used outdoors by a beginner and perform better outdoors than a CX2 in slight winds?
My vote for a Nitro

Comes as an ARF or in a combo at Tower.


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12-15-2008 09:22 PM  8 years agoPost 10
jamming

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+1 For the little Quark from Hirobo. I fly mine outside in mild breeze and it's very stable and can be set-up for more advanced flight. Great fun ! There a bit more money than some but worth every penny !

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12-15-2008 10:25 PM  8 years agoPost 11
bstock

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Easton, MD.

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He specifically said he's looking for a heli WITHOUT a tail rotor
Oneshotone:

I did realize that you mentioned no tail rotor actually - but anything without a tail rotor is going to be a Coaxial heli - and Coaxial helis by design are just not well suited for flying in any type of breeze.

You would actually have real tail control with a Quark, which is a good thing - not only from the learning curve of how to do that... but also you will have more solid control of the heli, and have more feel for what a collective heli is really like.

The CX2 is basically a self correcting heli - and in reading about the Quark... it is too. I was reading between the lines when reading your post - and thinking that maybe self correcting is what you may be asking for... but also to be able to fly it outdoors in a breeze.

When I started to fly - I wanted to fly. To get away from the computer after spending all day on one... to fly and not to be simming. Back then the Sims sucked (Real Flight 2.0) - and there was not even a CX2 to start on... So I started on one of the very first Blade CPs (Crap heli). I got it to fly... but that heli turned me off enough to where I decided to just stop for awhile. As a side note - I got a Trex450, and so I started back up again with a decent heli, and it was all over for me from there - I was hooked.

You could start now with a Quark - and have fun and not crash as much as you would with a collective pitch heli. Get your Orientations down, tail control down, have fun flying around... and then move into a collective pitch heli.

You will probably eventually want a Sim with a collective pitch heli - as you will then decide that it is how you are going to progress your skills the fastest, and in the cheapest way possible (that is why all of the guys are telling you to get one - buy a used RF 3.5 for about $85 here on RR - it will be money well spent) - but that can be down the road as you decide to move up. Anyways - get outside and fly if you want, you don't have to get the sim right now.

Be careful - this hobby can easily be very addicting Just look at the rest of us

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12-16-2008 01:06 AM  8 years agoPost 12
flustercluck

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Newnan Ga (Just S. of ATL)

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I humbly suggest you do what I did: buy a used R50 RTF & learn to fly it

You'll enjoy it... guaranteed

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12-16-2008 01:40 AM  8 years agoPost 13
dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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The aversion to a tail rotor is a bit extreme and unfounded. With a reasonably well set up heading hold gyro, the tail on a helicopter is no more difficult to control than any other axis. The modern heading hold gyro is probably the sole reason that there are so many RC helis flying these days.

30 or so years ago when I was a newbie to helis, yes, there were no gyros, no electronically mixed radio stuff, and yes, it was a difficult task to learn to keep the tail under control. It would typically take about six months of constant hovering practice to get to the point where the tail was not an issue.

If you really want to learn to fly an RC helicopter, get over the idea that you can't have a tail rotor on it. Eventually, you will HAVE to fly one with a tail rotor if you stay in the hobby any time at all.

If you have a decent SIM and use it, and have some local help, there is also no reason that your first "big" heli has to be demolished while learning to fly it.

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