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12-15-2008 02:14 AM  8 years agoPost 61
Ronald Thomas

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Union is for people who have no nuts. You dont like your job, quit. You cant handle lifting 25 lbs, get in shape. You want paid vacation? Produce/create vaule in your job and earn it. You want pension? Stay loyal and cost effective to your company. Stop taking 4 hours of your day in breaks and lunch and create vaule for your time at work! How much can you really get done in 5 true hours of work? Oh and when it takes 10 of you to lay cones in the road, you wonder why you dont have a job anymore......
That idea is great and works in a company that has good leadership.
I used to work for a company here in Gainesville that grossed 2.5 million dollars for a total of 7 employees. This was 7 years ago and I made a grand total of 30,000 (salary) a year. My hours were 9am to whenever the job was done (usually around 7pm) 6 days a week. Every Monday we had a "company meeting" that was from when we got off work monday and it usually lasted about 2 hours. So total I worked for ~60 hours a week with NO BENEFITS. No vacations, no sick leave, no pension, nothing.....also no union (too small).
I considered myself valuable to the company as I was very loyal (I was there for 10 years) and I was the lead techinician in the building.
I realized that I was never going to make the money I beleived other people in my trade were making around the country so I became a Firefighter. I must have been somewhat valuable to the company as it closed it's doors less that a year after I left.
Like I said before the company grossed 2.5 million a year and both of the owners had huge houses, cars, and toys. They deserve to have all that because they did own the company BUT they forgot about the guys who held the company together.....the employees! So after 10 years of service, I left there with NOTHING except what I put towards my own retirement.
Fast foward to today and my prsent job. I am a Firefighter and we have a strong Union. They protect us in ways other Unions don't have to worry about. They are responsible for making sure the City of Gainesville purchases the correct safety equpiment, provides us with up to date training, as well as makes sure we are paid in line with what our job requires of us.
I now have benefits (sick time, vacation time, pension, etc) and I understand why Unions were started in the first place......to keep the EMPLOYERS fair to the employee. If not the "owners" would have no loyalty to their employees after demading that same loyalty from them.
Some unions are parasites but the majority of them exist to serve their members and try to do what is best for them AND the company.........Ron

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12-15-2008 02:21 AM  8 years agoPost 62
rcsoar4fun

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Fast foward to today and my prsent job. I am a Firefighter and we have a strong Union.
First, let me say thank you, we all appreciate the work firefighters do. BUT. You work for a government entity, not a for-profit corporation. There is a big difference.

As things go grossing 2.5 million is nothing. Without knowing the net its impossible to say how well the company was doing. Did the management found it? Work hard for it? They deserved the big house, cars and boat.

I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.

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12-15-2008 02:37 AM  8 years agoPost 63
Wildcat Fuels

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First, I am not posting this to ruffle anyones feathers, just want to set the record straight. Toyota is not a Union shop. None of the employees are unionized. The company pays a great salary, has very good benefits, and has record retention. Toyota has not laid off any of its full time regular employees. It has laid off some part time and temporary workers and cut production. I used to do consulting work for them at several of their plants. The employees are well compensated and happy. They have a credit union, child care on site, ....ect. I only say this to say they are not some sweat shop that US car companies can't compete with, but if the big three don't get their cost under control they will fail....and no bailout will fix that. I hope for all our sakes they get a clue and fire the losers running the companies and get lean and mean. I'm rooting for all to succeed both foriegn and domestic. If they can get the overhead under control they can compete with anyone.

Jerry

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12-15-2008 03:10 AM  8 years agoPost 64
cmartin

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Ahh the good ole union way, get benefits, pay raises, health care weather you deserve it or not! Then when you dont get your undeserved pay raises, benefits and health care you walk around holding signs looking like a bunch of morons and get paid for doing so!! lol

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12-15-2008 05:17 AM  8 years agoPost 65
philip 01

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12-15-2008 06:22 AM  8 years agoPost 66
cmartin

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Everyone needs pay cuts, starting from the top, down to the guy that sweeps the floor. Let everyone get paid what they are worth, not what they think they deserve. If not they are going to price theirselves
out of business.

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12-15-2008 08:40 AM  8 years agoPost 67
Rob_T

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Here's a radical thought - suppose you had a public health system and social security that actually could afford to pay pensions when everyone retires. Then would you need unions?

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12-15-2008 12:38 PM  8 years agoPost 68
minan

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Yes in some shops you would still need a union. I have welded in both union and nonunion shops. I can't speak for all nonunion shops but the back stabbing; ass kissing employees at Stoughton Trailers, a nonunion shop I worked at was sickening. Pay raises were given by how much butt one kissed, not by how well the job was preformed. Most of this crap if not all was eliminated at Lear corporation, a UAW shop, because every welder made the same wage and seniority counted on what job you were given not whose butt you kissed.

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12-15-2008 01:16 PM  8 years agoPost 69
1stPlace

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Here's a radical thought - suppose you had a public health system and social security that actually could afford to pay pensions when everyone retires. Then would you need unions?
Unless the feds can keep a balanced budget, a public health system and a social security system that could pay everyones pensions is a pipe dream.
Most of this crap if not all was eliminated at Lear corporation, a UAW shop, because every welder made the same wage and seniority counted on what job you were given not whose butt you kissed.
Everyone made the same wage? That's complete BS. Union shops pay rates are based on seniority.

I worked for American Airlines for a short time after graduating from Spartan School of Aeronautics. Being a union shop, the starting pay was really good. But, everyone I worked with was a lazy POS. I got yelled at for overhauling too many fuel control units, and was told to only overhaul 3 a day. I was doing 5 or 6 every day. As requested, I slowed down and only did 3 the next day.

I cannot stand boredom. So, to keep myself busy, I picked up a broom and started sweeping my work area. A co-worker warned me that I shouldn't do that, that I should just go walk around or read a magazine. Well, I didn't listen. My boss saw me sweeping and came over yelling at me, red faced and madder than hell! He told me that sweeping was not my job and I was not to touch a broom ever again. Thankfully, the company announced layoffs shortly there after. I wasn't on the chopping block, but I volunteered to leave anyway. It was the best decision I ever made. I never want to work with people like them again.

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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12-15-2008 01:52 PM  8 years agoPost 70
Rotor

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And that's exactly the worst part of unions. Telling workers to not do their jobs to the upmost of their ability. That hits the nail on the head. With that concept you'll NEVER have a good working realionship with the management, NEVER...

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly

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12-15-2008 02:22 PM  8 years agoPost 71
whirlyspud

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The worst thing is when people that were previously in a Union take a job that is not union. They carry the Union mentality with them. Given the choice of two people wanting the same job, one having been in a Union, and the other not, I will hire the non union person every time.

Mike

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12-15-2008 04:11 PM  8 years agoPost 72
SSN Pru

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Unions gave us all our current working conditions, 40 hour work week, vacation time, etc,, Nice to see how people forget once they have something, how bad it used to be
Go ask the non-UAW workers at any of the other automobile plants how their lives are?

I'm willing to bet they don't have someone behind them whiping them and forcing them to work 100 hrs a week...

What a moron!

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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12-15-2008 04:26 PM  8 years agoPost 73
1stPlace

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I'm willing to bet they don't have someone behind them whiping them and forcing them to work 100 hrs a week...
You're right. That's reserved for entrepreneurs, managers and salesmen!

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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12-15-2008 04:28 PM  8 years agoPost 74
Pistol Pete

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Seffner, FL

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The last American car/truck I owned was a Ford Ranger.
Ditto here...mine was a 93 model and had a 3.0 6cyl MAZDA engine...go figure.

I bought it based on consumers report high recommendation.

Its gone now...sure missed it.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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12-15-2008 07:34 PM  8 years agoPost 75
splitboarder

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There are two types of unions in the united states. Trade unions (electrical,plumbing,carpenters HVAC ect) and Shop Unions. Shop unions are places where you get a job and then join the union.
I applied in 1980 to the International Brotherhood of Electrical Woorkers Union. I was fresh out of High School and didnt know much. They allowed me to join their apprentiship and I went to school 3 nights a week while I worked 40 hours during the day/week
Union school taught me how to be a skill crastman, not an electrician. Big difference.
I also was encouraged to expand my education through classes at the union hall.
I could have stuck with most people and stayed a "wire puller' but instead I grabbed all the classes I could.
I now work as an "electronic electrician" doing heavy controll work at a water plant.

Unions are nothing more than a group of workers who decided to group together . If you want to be a union "boss' all you have to do is campaign just like in your town for mayor.

Your wages in what ever you do are bassed on high and low pay rates for your skill across the U.S.

Thats high wages and low wages.

I always find that the people who bitch about someone else high rate of pay are to lazy to go to school and get more education.

You know- people who graduate high school and think they are done.

But I do I hope to see unions fold so all you people who dislike unions pay will drop. Hopefully to about 5 dollars an hour

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12-15-2008 08:04 PM  8 years agoPost 76
whirlyspud

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"But I do I hope to see unions fold so all you people who dislike unions pay will drop. Hopefully to about 5 dollars an hour"

Bwaahahahahaha.

Mike

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12-15-2008 08:12 PM  8 years agoPost 77
kookboy

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But I do I hope to see unions fold so all you people who dislike unions pay will drop. Hopefully to about 5 dollars an hour
Thanks for that.

Needed a good laugh today.

... But honey it was only $$$

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12-16-2008 02:09 AM  8 years agoPost 78
Rotor

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whirlyspud,
If that does happen that would be a big drop in pay cause nobody likes unions....except for union people.. They only look out for themselves and when I mean "themselves" I mean "themselves".

Not their union brothers because they don't care about them. They only care about themselves. And, that is what is wrong with unions...

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly

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12-16-2008 05:25 AM  8 years agoPost 79
philip 01

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12-16-2008 06:24 AM  8 years agoPost 80
WillyS

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Not their union brothers because they don't care about them. They only care about themselves. And, that is what is wrong with unions...
Worse than that is American people in general function in that very manner,that's why our gov gets away with the sh!t they do.

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