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HelicopterRadio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt › CY ATG V3 governor help needed
12-11-2008 11:49 PM  8 years agoPost 21
AltecLansing

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Looks like DS8717 beat me to it, but that is exactly what I mean. If the Futaba Gyro function is setup for something like a GV-1, then it will not match the RPM selection/range/etc. of the ATG at all - they are totally different animals, and you will have to use your G-View to see what speeds the radio is actually asking for, since the display on the radio will in all liklihood be wrong.

- Tim
I use the governor option on the 12fgh. It has a percentage setting with no rpm reading in the radio. Changing the percentage changes the head speed as viewed through the gview. You will need a gview to view this or someone will have to tach the head for you so you can experiment with adjustments to get the head speed you want. If using a futaba radio, remember to set the atg to futaba.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-12-2008 12:44 AM  8 years agoPost 22
tadawson

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Is the percentage from 0 to 100? If so, then "off" lurks around 50% . . .

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12-12-2008 12:48 AM  8 years agoPost 23
AltecLansing

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Is the percentage from 0 to 100? If so, then "off" lurks around 50% . . .

- Tim
Ok, I had to look at the radio again to verify this. I go to the governor menu and it has a rate setting. I set mine to 12% to turn off the governor. At 50% the governor is on with a low head speed. The rate is adjustable above 100%. I do have the radio set up the way I want it now to turn off the governor in normal mode and a switch that will also turn it off no matter what mode I am in. Its also off in throttle hold. I really like this radio.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-12-2008 01:24 AM  8 years agoPost 24
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I have a 9303 and use the ATGv3,My governor menu has settings of 0 to 125% in all the FM settings.With 0 percent in normal the governor is off. I am sure the 0 percent is the center of the servo travel for the governor menu which uses the gear channel for that function.
On my previous radio a 10X it didnt have a governor menu so i used the gear channel for the governor.I used the 0 to -100 for one flight mode headspeed and 0 to +100 for the other flight mode headspeed.

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12-12-2008 03:42 AM  8 years agoPost 25
tadawson

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I run mine on my 10X, and via a mix from flight mode to the aux channel in use, I can run as many speeds as I want to run flight modes (up to 5, IIRC) as well as the global switch to shut down the gov in any mode. That's one of the big features I like about the ATG over it's competition - the fact that headspeed is fully proportional to the speed channel, and not just a couple of preprogrammed settings, forcing you to waste one to get "off" like on some others . . .

Glad you got it sorted! They are sweet govs, but take a little creativity to get setup sometimes . . .

- Tim

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12-12-2008 03:47 AM  8 years agoPost 26
AltecLansing

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I wouldn't say its all sorted yet. I have to find out if the oscillations are gone. I'll know saturday or sunday. But I am happy that I can shut off the governor now.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-13-2008 08:43 PM  8 years agoPost 27
AltecLansing

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I flew two tanks today. It still did the oscillations after the resetting of the governor. I raised the throttle low percentage in the sub menu first to 35% which is what the manual says is the factory setting. It still had oscillations. I then reset the low throttle position with the trim at idle for my heli after it warms up. The oscillations were fewer now. I raised the trim some more and most of the oscillations are gone now. I think a few more clicks and reset the low position again and it should be gone altogether. Its about 99% gone now.

When I first start my heli when its cold, I have to raise the throttle trim above midpoint to get it to start. Usually, the idle is fast when I do it that way. After the engine warms up, I can start the engine and maintain the idle at midpoint on the throttle trim. So, I'm guessing I need to set the low throttle position for the atg governor at or slightly above the trim setting used for starting when its cold.

For me, I feel the problem is solved and only needs to be slightly adjusted.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-14-2008 12:55 AM  8 years agoPost 28
bigdog714

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Did you remember to hit the throttle kill when you set the low throttle on the Gov? When you set up your throttle, the trim is all the way down, that is 0%. Trim at center is about 20% for idle speed, but 0% on the radio. The low throttle setting in the second menu is basicaly the power switch, I have two set at 46% & 48%. The throttle curve in the radio also affects that setting, I have a low easy throttle curve programed in the radio incase the Gov. fails. So I use that setting to turn on the Gov. and the hold switch to shut it off. I like the Gov. to kick in just before mid-stick, that way I can feed in a little collective to load the motor.

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12-14-2008 01:01 AM  8 years agoPost 29
AltecLansing

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Did you remember to hit the throttle kill when you set the low throttle on the Gov? When you set up your throttle, the trim is all the way down, that is 0%. Trim at center is about 20% for idle speed, but 0% on the radio.
I did that in the initial set up. I had oscillations at the time. I talked to the tech support at cy enterprises and we determined the head was underspeeding. He suggested that I reset the low throttle position on the governor to idle speed. That would be mid trim on mine when the engine is warm and above that when the engine is cold. I find being above the mid trim got rid of most of my oscillations. I need to make it a little higher and I think all of the oscillations will be gone.

I have my governor set to engage in idle up 1 and idle up 2 and different programmed head speed. Its also at 1750 in normal mode. I have another switch I can use to turn off the governor no matter what flight mode I am in. I have throttle curves set up in case the governor gives out. The governor is set for normal mode and not active mode, so basically the governor controls the rpms. If I set it to active mode, then it uses the throttle curve and adjusts the throttle to maintain rpms. At least that is what the manual says.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-14-2008 04:15 AM  8 years agoPost 30
bigdog714

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Active is like a rev. limiter, it follows your curve and prevents it from going over the set head speed. I like mine I have had no problems thus far. I fly Gov. mode on my electrics also, I love it.

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12-14-2008 09:38 PM  8 years agoPost 31
AltecLansing

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Active is like a rev. limiter, it follows your curve and prevents it from going over the set head speed.
The manual also says that it will keep it from underspeeding also. I'm just happy for it to work in normal mode.

I adjusted the low throttle position again today and flew it. I couldn't tell if it had oscillations, so I would say they are gone now. I did notice though that the head would still bog in flips and rolls. A couple of buddies determined that it was my flying style that caused it as they tached the head and it still maintained head speed through the rest of the flying. It wasn't collective management that seems to bog it. It seems to be the cyclic. I am giving too much input when doing a flip or roll. I'll have to experiment with this to see how I can avoid too much collective in certain maneuvers.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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12-15-2008 12:44 AM  8 years agoPost 32
bigdog714

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That sounds familiar, I set up 9deg. cyclic which is nice for stationary flips and rolls, than I DR it to 85% for 7.25deg.which is nice for the rest of my flying, makes things a bit smoother. Collective management is what I'am keying on right now. I like to stall the heli in differant positions, it looks so cool when the heli just seems to hang there in mid-air.

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02-17-2009 07:58 PM  8 years agoPost 33
Ben-T-Spindle

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I need to purchase an ATG V3 but can’t find them in stock.
Have they been discontinued or what.
Where can I get one?

... BTS

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