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12-09-2008 01:21 PM  8 years agoPost 21
scottsan

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japan,Nagoya

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phoenix sim or real flight G4.5

I have used both systems. Both work well.Both have good graphics. However, i like phoenix as it is easily updated and i don't feel i'm being ripped off.The price of G4.5 is i feel, rather a rip off.Whereas phoenix i feel is better value,especially for newbies.
I feel Real flight are only up for selling you CD-roms and ADD ONS. You want to fly one specific aircraft, you need to buy one disc.If you want to fly another one that isn't on that disc, guess what? you need to BUY the other disc. For me this was a waste of my money.

PHOENIX SERVICE.
OUTSTANDING.TRUELY. I couldn't have wished for better service and care. I had a wee problem, and within a few hours of e,mailing them, they e,mailed me back. Any questions were dealt with quickly and efficiently. Problem solved.(microsoft take not,it was my PC and not phoenix)
They even offered to replace my disc.
One thing i liked, was that i could use my own controller.As a newbie it allows me to get the feel of my controller in house before i go to the field. There is a difference to the Real flight controler and our own.

Phoenix's Free downloads were good and loaded well.

It had a lot of aircraft and helicopters to choose from.(great value in itself compared to real flight)

Graphics were good.
I found it much easier interface to work with.

I also found the fun element in phoenix better than real flight.
Although i do like Real flights hover training set up.

So as a newbie, the sim, the value, and the service won me over.
This sim seems to be the right choice for me.

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12-09-2008 01:31 PM  8 years agoPost 22
red_z06

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I'm not sure G4.5 offers more than the G3.5 at $70 more. The introduction of G4.5 made the good G3.5 more affordable at $120 that includes the controller.

However, the real problem is not the sim but the tactics of Great Planes regarding Phoenix.

I thought it was odd for the maker of the RF to import and sell the competing sim product (Phoenix). It turns out that they wanted to lock in the exclusive distributorship for Phoenix in US then stop selling it so RF would get unfair advantage in US.

www.JustinJee.com

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12-09-2008 08:51 PM  8 years agoPost 23
James

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I'm getting a real kick out everyone attacking both of these Sims.
One is more expensive, while the other is cheaper OK but they are both good Sims.
Personally the radio that comes with RF G4.5 works just fine to me, maybe not to others . But since I'm not new at flying helicopters, just want a little more practice. I would have to say going to the phoenix, is a better choice because its cheaper if thats your concern?

But keep in mind for those whom want to try out sims and have zero experince in flying the real thing. Then the Real flight G4.5 is the way to go it rules like it or not. Because not everyone wants to go out and buy a $300 radio, just to find out if they are interested in flying, real airplanes, or helicopters.

Over The matter with real flight G 4.5 that i here a lot of people saying you have to always pay for upgrades, if you want something new to fly . Very true, but for me i don't need other upgrades, I'm happy with the way it is know.

For some one that needs free upgrades all the time to feel satisfied they have the best, and you are all day long in front of a computer ? Then i would say get the phoenix, in comparing both.
They both have excellent graphics. Like i have said before about phoenix, it's great with planes, but the tail control for helicopters, does not feel as real as the Real Flight G4.5 .
Know if you use your own radio for the phoenix, it will play a little bit better, about the same as the G 4.5 I just experience that and found this out on my Friends phoenix.
So over all you want a better deal cheaper, that is. Plus do not have to pay for upgrades, and use your own radio, go for the phoenix, for sure A+.

In my case i am already a fairly experience pilot. So i need some practice is all, with out having to buy any upgrades for the G4.5 Because I like the real thing. .
To everyone enjoy your simulators. If you have tried them both out and have made a choice that's good.
to red_z06 PS i heard about that issue myself of the battle between phoenix and RF. The Fight of who has the better oh boy!
Jim

flying is the easy part paying for it whole different story

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12-10-2008 08:49 AM  8 years agoPost 24
zimmer101

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err...the radio i use with phoenix cost $20 [sanwa rd6000]
and gives me more realism than the thing that comes rf

also, if your part of the phoenix community you have been rewarded free update after free update - what has rf ever given anyone for nothing ?

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12-10-2008 04:48 PM  8 years agoPost 25
thenewguy

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3.5 was free upgrade for 3.0 users. 4.5 was a free upgrade for 4.0 users, also the are hundreds of free aircraft to download and fly for free on the RF swap pages. This is if you don't like what the version you bought comes with.
The radio the comes with RF is actully a Futaba radio.

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12-10-2008 05:04 PM  8 years agoPost 26
zimmer101

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3.5 was free upgrade for 3.0 users
etc...

...that is not an upgrade - that is the same version but with all the bugs ironed out, i mean a full new version upgrade!!

as for the 'swapsy' models - most are sooo bad they fly nothing like a heli/plane let alone the real thing.
All phoenix models are professionally created by experts - each one feels like a quality addition

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12-10-2008 05:11 PM  8 years agoPost 27
USNAviationjay

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exactly.. RF models are too easy and dont even feel like a real heli.

I'm not sure what people mean that are saying the tails dont feel right on Pheonix.
it feels exactly like the tail on my birds.. firm and planted.
and Im not even using high dollar gyros..

I was playing with RF4.5 the other day at the LHS.. and it has tail issues.. the tails blow out on hard tail slides etc.
not to mention the controller really blows..

Sorry but Pheonix has helped me alot more than any other sim Ive had including RF4 and Clearview

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12-10-2008 10:41 PM  8 years agoPost 28
James

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to each is own. enjoy your simulaters

flying is the easy part paying for it whole different story

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12-11-2008 06:52 PM  8 years agoPost 29
hall8000

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Hi,i do not think that Phoenix simulate better the tail than RF4.5 only have to look the tail setup, in phoenix is very simple, in RF4.5 most complex and ability to emulate virtually any giro.

Setup heli in phoenix is standart any change is very sensitive any change affects the physics of the heli so rare.

The crash is ridiculous when the tail touch the ground there is no possibility of recovering heli.

The heli no sliding along the ground.

phoenix is fun to fly the maneuvers are easy, the tail help clean flip,rolls, the pilot is not accustomed to correct the deviation of the tail. Totally different from RF,

greetings

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12-11-2008 07:31 PM  8 years agoPost 30
James

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Haoo8000
Thanks for posting that my friend has the phoenix, after viewing those characteristic between phoenix and RF that is correct. You have more detail control with more options in RF 4.5 you can see there is more sensitive, settings and more of them that can cause different reactions, with your flight. like sound, and visual, of blades breaking, the way they suppose to. Servo,s that you can hear, the water affects, are way more real.You can roll your helicopter, along the ground, you can skid, across the ground better. There's auto rotation , even the training, program they have is awesome. By the way the radio it comes with is perfectly, fine i have used my $700 dollar radio on Phoenix, in comparing the radio that's on my RF 4.5 , there's hardly a difference to make a big deal about it . Keep in mind no one is going to be able to have a simulator be precise in flying like the real thing. Because once you fly the real thing it's always going to be different, between the size of helicopter.
It's length of blades, type of engine, tail setup, maybe it's even a finstrin blade set up instead of just two blades at the tail,ect. Phoenix, is a good simulator, but it does not have those precise differences that you can feel a better response, like the real helicopter. RF seems to have a better tail no question about it . Sorry when it come to realism of tail flight RF has it hands down. You pay a little more for RF4.5 but you are getting what you pay for, were Phoenix is more affordable. enjoy your simulators

flying is the easy part paying for it whole different story

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12-12-2008 04:30 PM  8 years agoPost 31
jester4

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Amazing how the tides change, less than 6 months ago if anyone said RF was better than phoenix you'd get laughed at. Is 4.5 really that good?

Oh well, so is the RR phenomenon. I enjoyed 3.5 very much, but I NEED to know if the phoenix cheerleading team is right so I have one on my christmas wishlist for the wifey.......

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12-12-2008 09:38 PM  8 years agoPost 32
James

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There both great simulators , matter of fact i probably will buy the phoenix also because it has great air planes, with realistic flight.,If i had to say which one can teach you the skills for learning how to fly helicopters, i would say both will do one Hec, of a good job on teaching. But for land scape's choices and types of airplanes , helicopters well Phoenix has many for free, all the time for down load . Were RF you have to pay $30 to get another set of planes, and helicopters. Ihink it's a matter of choice if you are tight with the budget then go with Phoenix. RF has a little bit more technology with there effects.

flying is the easy part paying for it whole different story

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12-16-2008 09:11 PM  8 years agoPost 33
ke6d

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One thing no one has mentioned thus far is that RF4.5 requires a very fast computer with expensive graphic card to run on. Phoenix requires less computational and graphic power to run.

I have RF3.5 and Phoenix. I must say that I like Phoenix much better for helicopters. The helicopters in Phoenix behave very similar to the 5 helicopters that I have. I only use RF3.5 when I travel now since I don't want to drag along the DX-7 TX.

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12-16-2008 09:43 PM  8 years agoPost 34
nivlek

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I have G4/G4.5 , Phoenix , and AFPD . I've previously owned every previous version of Realflight , Reflex XTR , TruFlite , ..........
I've tried FS ONE .

AFPD is probably the best for fixed wing , but not for helis .
For helis that really only leaves G4.5 and Phoenix .Phoenix is good ,but nine times out of ten , I use G4.5 .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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12-16-2008 10:49 PM  8 years agoPost 35
James

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as ke6d has mentioned he uses Phoenix, when he travels and does not want to bring along the transmitter with it very good point. It amazes me some people think there phoneix flies more like the real helicopters, they have. Were i think the other way around my RF.G 4.5 flies much more like the real helicopters, i own but mine are all air star International some are scales maybe thats why. I think they make the best helicopters, around but that's only my view point. All metal aircraft CNC aluminum parts no platic.

flying is the easy part paying for it whole different story

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12-25-2008 06:23 PM  8 years agoPost 36
red_z06

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There seems to be few guys advertizing for phoenix in forums. I ended up getting one (version 1) after hearing some people rave about it. Needless to say it was a dud at that time. Since then it has gotten much better. Free upgrade helps a lot there.

Everyone has different goals and expectations so no one sim would satisfly all.

We just got Justin a G4.5 (we already have 2 G3.5s) and he loves it. He does go on the Phoenix time to time. But for serious practice, he prefers RF 100% of the time. Since Justin uses it all the time, I don't feel bad paying for the sim. I believe I've gotten my money's worth over the past 2.5 years.

As for Phoenix and Reflex, I don't feel that I've gotten a return on my money yet. I keep buying a new stuff thinking they will be better and I'm sure someone will come out with one. But for now, there isn't one at least for us.

Phoenix looks a little better than G4.5 does though. Water effect is much better on Phoenix. So phoenix does have higher game/entertainment value but RF has higher sim value.

For us, sim is a serious training tool and RF provides that.

Here are things that I like on G4.5 over G3.5 or other helis.

1. Engine off heli physics is best. This allows you to slow down the blades and start back up. This will teach you the relationship between the rotor speed and pitch during auto.
You can turn on the gadget and monitor the head speed during auto.

2. Blade will flex up/down depending on the pitch direction and give you a secondary feedback.

3. This is minor but skids now scrape on the pavement like the real one.

4. Blade scrape is now possible if you are careful with real blade scrape sound.

5. Airplane feel is much better than G3.5 and 3D flying on plank is much more realistic. With G3.5, we were going back and forth between g3.5 and AFPD on planks. But with G4.5 that may not be necessary.

6. For convenience, we leave the RF box plugged in and never having to charge the box is priceless.

I do wish that RF would impliment the trace function on the AFPD though. This allow you to assess the accuracy of your figures. For example, if you did a circuit, it will show all the areas where you deviated from the perfect line. One thing that doesn't feel real is when you lose the tail (by tail strike). It should start to whip much faster. It also should impliment tail rotor failure (stripped tail gear etc) with more realistic tail response with no tail.

BTW, people keep talking about using a real radio on other sims. We can plug in the real radio (DX7) but the controller on G4.5 is made from a real Futaba radio (albeit not 14mz).

I believe both RF and Phoenix will aid you greatly in your learnig endeavor.

We have purchased all sims (except for FS ONe) and would most likely keep them all. If we lost all sims for some reason, and needed one at whatever the price, we would buy a G4.5

However, I don't much care for RF's upgrade policy though. They may say it was necessary due to the radio change. I may buy this for now. Let see what happens when G5 comes out.

www.JustinJee.com

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12-25-2008 07:32 PM  8 years agoPost 37
James

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red_z06

Very well put what you have said makes a lot of since.
You explain to everyone what i have noticed myself. I guess there is a lot of differences between them . I really do like what you said about the radio . Personally i can't stand having to charge my radio, With the RF just leave it pluged in and your ready to go.

flying is the easy part paying for it whole different story

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01-19-2009 04:09 AM  8 years agoPost 38
h2jringo

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Ok everyone got me curious so I got a Phoneix in day before yesterday. Ive had G2 , G 3.5 and just bought a G4.5 a little over a month ago. I got to tell you that phoneix just feels more real to me and I dang sure like the heli models a lot better. Its what most of us fly I dont know why Greatplanes dont think of putting the more recent helis on there sim. I also hear phoneix is working on a trex 250 there again more current models is a big plus to me not just skins and paint jobs. And love the free upgrades for life. I went through the Greatplanes cycle and each time cost me close to 2 bills. The only grip I have is with the sound it do suck but hopefully they are working on it..
IMO Jim

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01-19-2009 04:59 AM  8 years agoPost 39
James

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yes i do own the Phoenix, also and i have to say RF G 4.5 and Phoenix, have there own strengh I guess it's upon your preference in what works better for you

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01-20-2009 04:20 PM  8 years agoPost 40
Havoc

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Since i am trying to practice nose in flying i need the tail to be as real as possible
A used copy of realflight v1 can get you well past that. You won't go wrong with either.

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