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12-23-2008 03:20 AM  8 years agoPost 101
beavis1

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Sorry

Nothing official at this time.

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12-23-2008 08:29 AM  8 years agoPost 102
Executioner

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Going Live

anything unofficial

just totalled my raven. blew up 30ft in the air. tail boom flew 30 ft away, body is mangled from falling down straight
my lhs says it was a cracked blade.
looking to rebuild or buy a new kit
what i really want is the NX......

If it aint spinning, its dead....

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12-23-2008 04:51 PM  8 years agoPost 103
imnxtc

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I was told that that they probably want to launch it as usual at the Toledo show in April.

Hopefully they will also make conversion kits for the Raven available, so you may consider just getting another Raven and converting it later.

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12-25-2008 03:48 PM  8 years agoPost 104
Gtseviper

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What I still can't figure what will be in the conversion kit that the raven already has...starting system...uhhh G10 frames...that's it will be in the conversion....are you kidding me...what a waste of time and money

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12-25-2008 06:32 PM  8 years agoPost 105
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Not sure the meaning of the waste of money​post exactly

IF you look at the NX It takes the head tail and drive system guts of the raven but outside of that it really is a new heli chassi and control system.

Not sure on what would be considered in the conversion kit.
If you look at the differences it is really substantial.

Items different
1.
The raven has no servo tray. (older ones real old or converted falcons do) The new raven is open
2.
The upper frames are different. to mount the plates the upper holes are enlarged and a metal insert tapped for 3 MM runs between them. The front to support the old start system is also not there.
3.
The lower frames are g10 but completly different and need the landing gear mounts and all the cross metal hardware to pull it all together. Same with the front tray. They are strong box designs with tab slot construction not just plates.
If you look at the pics you just can't buy g10 parts and convert it.
4. Antirotation bracket
5. Upper side plates
6. Servo pushrods and bellcranks ect.
7. New fan start system
8 Canopy and mount system
minor different items
8. the rear boom support mounts
9. g10 tail blades and metal tail mount. (different from raven but probably a wild card in conversion kit)

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12-25-2008 06:55 PM  8 years agoPost 106
canbarelyhover

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if the conversion kit comes out, sign me up for one!

although, i'm not gonna spend time and money to take a perfectly working raven apart just for the sake of converting it, i'll definitely do an upgrade if i have an unexpected "hard" landing.

i don't think i'll see too much of a difference in flight performance but the new layout looks easier to work on and the new start system seems more robust. i dread splitting the upper frame because the current raven requires dismantling the front ccpm servo mounts. in the nx layout, it seems like you just unlink the servo rods and detach the servo tray.

however, a top local pilot here who has flown both actually perfers the feel of the direct servo to swash version(it could be a reason the new miniature aircraft 50 & 90 are going this route)

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12-25-2008 06:56 PM  8 years agoPost 107
Gtseviper

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Coming from a Hawk IV to Raven conversion guy

Ok...Hawk, raven, falcon, and now nx

1. same frames
2. I need a servo tray
Hawk 4, Hawk Pro, raven 30 falcon, NX
I don't need a servo tray
Raven 50
3 I need raven aluminum lower frame
Hawk pro, raven 30, Raven 50
I need raven g10 frames
NX 50
4 Same head and tail..to thrust bearing or not to thrust bearing, aluminum or no aluminum

and so on

take for instance the predetor..well done...they designed that one
All I'm saying if it's an NX 50 make a bad as machine...I need to look at a completely new machine..that surpass raven, predator, hawk, etc. Crap...I will get to the point..redesign the freaking frame system and how components are attached..make the upper frame g10 with bearing blocks...something different

The upgrade that I think was worth while is the start system I am sick of my current one...great idea century

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12-25-2008 07:24 PM  8 years agoPost 108
Blade_Master1

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The only thing I like on the NX version is the start sytem
That's it, The rest is just bling for the sake of being newer

Any ways I spoke my peace earlier

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12-26-2008 12:39 AM  8 years agoPost 109
Dilbeck

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I didnt see anything that made me say wow, "Ive got to get this". Didn't really understand the benefits over the original Raven design. Even if there are benefits they are so minute that it doesn't justify the time spent designing it or does it? Maybe time could have been better spent on something new and innovative or getting the new super gasser to market instead of just dangling this out there to create some Century excitement. I know Century has some new things in the works and Im looking forward to them but this isn't it.

Clint

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12-26-2008 03:08 AM  8 years agoPost 110
Gtseviper

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alright century you heard what we century owners have to say be it good or bad....WHAT YOU GONNA DO!!!!!

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12-26-2008 03:29 AM  8 years agoPost 111
oldfart

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I can understand all of us Century fans looking for an all new 50. But let us consider a few things:

The Century 50's have always had a rotor head that rates with any of the new ones. Note that most of these new ones (Vibe 50 & RJX Extreme 50) are now using the same design, and some even finally upgrading to a 4mm flybar (the Raven has always had one). So it is unfortunate that they must keep their same rotor head to remain NEW...ironic isn't it? Note how MinAir is even going to the direct to swash type of eCCPM system that the Raven has had for 5 or 6 years!!!

If you have followed the evolution (and they have never changed the name to EVO ) of their 50's, you will have found that they regularly made changes to improve, but most always would just quietly integrate them into the next production run. There has been times when they have made more changes then others and never made any big hoopla about them.

I could go on with most of the important systems on the heli - tail drive, tail rotor, drive system, etc.

A good contrasting comparison would be the few rather minor changes that Thunder Tiger made to the Raptor 50 to get the Raptor Titon. Far fewer then Century had made from their first Raven to the current one...and even far less then the changes here from the Raven to the NX50!! Yet look how TT and all of the Raptorites made such a big fanfare of it's launch.

You will find that the same happened with the Hirobo Sceado 50 to the Evo 50.

Of course, there are examples of models that were weak in many areas, so have to change most all of their systems just to finally get it right. Then they really have a reason to excite their fans. But if you have a design that just require some tweaks, then it is hard to really be exciting.

So for Raven owners, I can understand why they may be less excited about the NX, and I do not think you should have to change, you already have a great 50.

But for those who want a sexier looking canopy, an eCCPM system that is far less stressful on the servo gears and a simpler start system, and a more blinged looking mainframe system, then it may be worth changing...and maybe they will be made available seperately as upgreade for your Ravens.

As most people know, I have been an oldtime fan of the Raven...IMHO, it has always been the best buy on the 50 market. So if you do not want to change, then I can certainly understand why.

As for me, I just can't resist the look of the new Canopy.

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12-26-2008 03:42 AM  8 years agoPost 112
Blade_Master1

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How about they leave the Raven50 alone and possibly make a Raven60 with the list of new items I asked for ??
Nothing wrong with the current head they can leave that alone as well.

Recap
I want a Carbon or g10 upper frame with places for the servos to be mounted in the frame.
push pull swash plate control.
upper bearing blocks with thrust bearings.

it should look something like trex450 frame only with push pull system
and made with g10 material
The other forums don't even mention the new NX version

Century is wasting their time with this NX version

Sorry Oldfart but IMO Century flopped on this one

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12-26-2008 04:17 AM  8 years agoPost 113
Blade_Master1

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Don't be to critical about my pic OK
did it with MS Paint and in 10 mins

I think the upper frame should resemble something like this

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12-26-2008 05:01 AM  8 years agoPost 114
Gtseviper

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and one more HUGE problem...your products aren't in my local store...PLEASE...fix that

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12-26-2008 07:33 AM  8 years agoPost 115
kevinymarvin

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They should also work with the drive sistem, its not bad and dont fail but its extra weight and more bearings, shaft and gears to replace

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12-26-2008 11:38 AM  8 years agoPost 116
Ray Fernandez

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your products aren't in my local store...PLEASE...fix that
Wouldn't that be the problem of the local store owner to stock up on Century parts? My local HS does not stock Century parts and when I asked why not, I was told not enough demand for the store to stock parts from Century.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM

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12-26-2008 04:11 PM  8 years agoPost 117
Blade_Master1

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Sounds like the chicken or the egg came first to me

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12-26-2008 11:23 PM  8 years agoPost 118
beavis1

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Gtseviper got ya

Ok now I understand the original post. I don't agree with total waste after flying one but understand where your comment comes from more than you know.

I think what you all say has already been said internal to Century thru the reps. The comment on all the low weight and extra weight of the counter gear low cg design, want for a lower parts count and all the rest have been spoken by the reps as well.

Century has taken the solid 50 line and moved on to the next step of the design with some big changes. This was what they wanted to do first for century owners who wanted some changes we have all posted on over the years. This new heli has all that stuff. They did that very nicely and the heli does fly (feel better than the RAVEN) from my flying exsperience to date.

It is not a new heli or total design. No not in the least. Century understands we are hungry for one of those as well but this came first.

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12-27-2008 09:50 PM  8 years agoPost 119
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""The rest is just bling for the sake of being newer""

Blade Master,, not at all !!,,
what have I been preaching for the last 5 or so years about Servo Resolution,, if this new NX control system allows us (because of lower leverage rates) to raise our Tx settings closer to 100% then we will have better Servo Resolution so the heli will have a better feel "as Beavis (Chris) said the NX does have over the Raven",,

so, better Servo Resolution with better feel will put you more in control, the more you are in control the better you will fly,

not bling bling, a true upgrade, a true win win condition for us Century 50 fans..

quote ""and the heli does fly (feel better than the RAVEN)""

thanks Chris !!, that is all I wanted to hear LOL

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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12-27-2008 11:54 PM  8 years agoPost 120
Blade_Master1

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which TX settings are you referring to ?

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