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09-01-2009 01:51 PM  8 years agoPost 501
helipilot32

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Dexter, Michigan

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This place has E-Flite Blade CP Pro 1 and 2 parts even cheaper! They do not accept Paypal though.

http://www.wholesaletrains.com

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09-01-2009 06:24 PM  8 years agoPost 502
briangp

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I know the feeling about not being stocked up on parts. I've gone through alot of woody's because I... for the longest time... was trying to fly in close quarters to things, like my fence, and inside my shop. Doesn't work too well. Now that I'm flying outside its a whole nother story. I think I might actually buy a set of plastic blades, just something a little more durable. My crashes are never that bad, and I've been flying in the grass, so they're very soft crashes. I've got one set of woody's left, as soon at they're gone, going plastic. I've got a complete head sitting here on backup if I should cause damage to it using the plastics. Too bad its a little too windy today.

I need one of those to fly in my office. Tried to fly my .90 in there but man is my wife pissed now!

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09-01-2009 10:52 PM  8 years agoPost 503
Texson

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New Orleans, La. USA

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Just started

Just started flying the CP, but love it already. Need some help though -

I bought a Blade CP from a friend at work who never used it recently and have been flying it for a few weeks now. About my only MAJOR complaint is the tail rotor and how I have to constantly trim it as I fly and the voltage decreases. In order to improve the tail, I bought a dual motor tail housing and installed it. Not only did the upgrade greatly affect the center of gravity, but it also fried the tail rotor portion of the 4-1 unit. The unit still works perfectly but there is no voltage going to the tail now.

What I was wondering is how is everyone else dealing with the CP's tail control, and, what can I do to improve mine? Do I need to abandon the stock 4-1 and go with separate everything so that I can use a heading hold gyro? Is there anything else that I can do?

I really like the Blade CP, but the tail problem is aggravating, to say the least. If I could get better tail control the little heli would be so much more fun to fly and I could do so much more with it.

Thanks and best regards,

Ricky

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09-02-2009 02:58 AM  8 years agoPost 504
helipilot32

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Hi Texson,

I agree with you, the constant trimming of the tail is annoying. I went direct Drive. The CP Pro 2 is a direct drive tail so E-Flite must have learned something from the CP Pro. I am going to go separates once my 4-1 gives way. I did order a E-Flite 110 hh gyro for it as well for the future install. I would recommend going direct drive on the tail and try that out.

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09-02-2009 01:52 PM  8 years agoPost 505
Inkmann

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I Have 2 Blade CP's, 1 flyer & 1 for parts.
I have been very discouraged with this little copter right out of the boxes. I have thrown a real lot of money at it in the last couple years and I can hover and fly around a little but thats it. It always seems to be on the edge of out of control.

Just this past Sunday while tracking out the blades I almost lost my eye. I still do not know what hit me, I think it was the tail that went out of control. I am one lucky guy the eye specialist at the Emergency Room said. I will try to get a picture of my eye online, you can see the hit in a straight line.

Any tips on getting this little bugger straightened out with out spending another $1000.

I am thinking about just buying a CP PRO 2 for $225 and going from there and keeping the other mavhines for parts.

Thanks John. Currently Piloting Hirobo XRB Llama, SRB Quark & E-Flite mSR, 2 Blade CP,s

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09-02-2009 04:08 PM  8 years agoPost 506
BOB WHO?

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Downey, Ca.

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I always wear eye protection while getting blades in track on the bench, hope you guys heed this warning. Stock Blade cps or cp pros need upgrades to get them to become stable. If you have a BCP you're going to need many upgrades including the Bell Hiller head. If you're a good mechanic, upgrade what you have to replicate the BCPP2. I did just that with my BCPP and am very happy with the result. Here's what I did to my stock BCPP: DD tail motor (I used a GWS but I like the eflite better) installed on the BCCP2 motor mount EFLH1321- Telebee HH gyro ($60)- BCCP2 main motor, that's the extent of the upgrade. I use the stock radio on this one and it works fine. The gain on the gyro is turned up all the way, there's a little wag but the tail holds really well. The entire upgrade package mentioned costs about $85.

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09-03-2009 01:12 AM  8 years agoPost 507
briangp

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Buzzard's Bay, MA USA

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Inkmann, sorry to hear about your eye. Its unfortunate that our hobby can be very dangerous. I originally bought a BCPP RTF, but it only took me about 2 weeks to figure out it was a dangerous machine. The stock transmitter would glitch so bad that if I put it down so I could reach for the heli and unplug it....it would fly up 5 feet on its own and slam back into the ground. Needless to say that one time was enough for me. I do not believe in the cheap junk transmitters they provide. That one was the 72mhz tx. I got rid of it for a DX6i.

If you look around though, I found my BCCP 2 on FleaBay from 'hobbi-mart' I think it was. They listed it as 'for parts' and it didn't have enough lift. ~80 bucks for it I think I paid. It arrived, I threw a battery in it, and it flew like a champ, brand new, and no issues except for the gyro was slow to warm up. This is the RTF version as well. The 2.4Ghz TX was a plus, as far as I can tell, its pretty much a rebadged cheap version of the DX6i. No glitches at all. Overall I really can't complain even if there was something wrong with it, 80 bucks for a 250 dollar heli is a hell of a deal. Hobbi-mart has tons of them listed as 'for parts' which are really minor issues. You could fix whatever is wrong with it and be good to go in a couple hours!

I need one of those to fly in my office. Tried to fly my .90 in there but man is my wife pissed now!

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12-14-2009 03:59 AM  7 years agoPost 508
Chief_Leavitt

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Sanford, NC

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No love for helping to get CP in the air.

I have 2 Blade CPs one stock-ish and the other has esky receiver and a telebee gyro. Neither will fly. I have tried several things to get them working. The only thing I can think of is finding someone with one that is working and duplicate the setup. The LHS in my area has a few guys that are supposed to be able to help out, but we will see. I have posted a thread and a blog and a youtube the advice I have recived is awesome, but the things I have tried haven't fix the issue yet. I put a bell mixer upgrade on one and a brand new lipo battery. The head wobbles a bit and the blades are not tracking perfectly. I would track them, but why waste the time if it won't lift off the ground. I just wish I could get this little heli to fly. I even went ahead and bought a Blade 400. So I hope it works out.

Good Times

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t346570p1/

http://douglasleavitt.blogspot.com/...esky-parts.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7FrzUDKhs

Excuse me while I whip this out!

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12-14-2009 04:51 AM  7 years agoPost 509
JugMan

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Chicago, IL U.S. of A

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Where have all the Blade people gone?

Darn it! All the Blade people finally get PO'd about the massive expenses of keeping the fragile CP+ in the air, and moved on? Yes, it probably is one of the most difficult helos to learn on, certainly one of the most expensive. I've spent enough on my CP+ (-?) to buy a couple 450's new. Thank Jah I finally found out honeybee CP parts fit, now they're hard to get too. I was an airplane guy, and didn't have any idea how many alternatives there were to eFlight,now I've got some other larger helos... but I keep going back and fixing the old Blade (I guess it's just me being sentimental...poor lonely blade all alone under the shop table, etc, etc,). Well, at least until my spares are all gone!
I wanted to convert to a brushless tail motor since my main is brushless, and I was hopin' there might be some tips here.....

Stay Thirsty, My Friends....

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12-14-2009 05:25 AM  7 years agoPost 510
BOB WHO?

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Downey, Ca.

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Hi Doug
It looked to me like the heli has too much negative pitch. The pitch range in a stock set-up is not adjustable, it's fixed and it works fine. Unplug the motors and plug-in the battery to check your pitch (your radio is turned on first). Flip the stunt mode switch to 'ON'. The reason for turning on the idle-up switch is that you want a linear pitch curve for this test. Turn the head so the blades are perpendicular (90 degrees) to the line between the nose and tail. Make sure that the flybar is level when you do your check. Raise the left stick to the center position (mid-stick) and look at the pitch of the blades. If you do not have a pitch gauge just eyeball the angle of one blade from the end (the flybar must be level). This blade should be parallel to the flybar with 0 degrees of pitch. I'll bet that your model in this position has negative pitch which means that your leading edge is pointed down slightly. If this is the case, take the three ball links off the swashplate and tighten each of them down one full turn each (I assume that a Blade CP is the same as a Blade CP pro). Tightening these links will give the heli more of a positive pitch. When you get the blade pitch closer to level at mid stick only tighten one half a turn at a time. You could get very close without a gauge by just taking your time and making sure that there is the same amount of pitch at low and high stick. With the pitch set up correctly you will probably get you off the ground with this heli. Be careful about what you wish for because then you might have a whole new set of problems if you've never hovered a helicopter before. Good luck.

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12-14-2009 12:55 PM  7 years agoPost 511
bekylane

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FL, USA

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I still fly mine from time to time. I learned single rotor on it!

What I love about the CP Pro compared to 400 size helis is:

Mechanical simplicity, much easier to maintain and repair, not to mention cheaper.
Less intimidating when doing aerobatics (again price of repairs, also weight).
Longer flight times, faster charging batteries.

But I completely dislike that it eats tail motors. I wonder how good are the new CP Pro 2 DD tails.

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12-14-2009 02:03 PM  7 years agoPost 512
BOB WHO?

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Downey, Ca.

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The CP pro 2 DD tail is excellent, much better than the CP pro system. You need a good HH gyro like a Telebee or better. I converted my old CP pro to a pro 2 by adding the DD tail, pro 2 main motor, and a Telebee HH gyro. Night and day difference. I could never get my old pro to even invert but with the conversion the new pro will do all basic aerobatics and more.

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12-14-2009 06:41 PM  7 years agoPost 513
JugMan

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Chicago, IL U.S. of A

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Brushless tail HELP!

Wow, there are other survivors :-). I have a couple giant questions I hope sombody can help direct me to an answer...

Are there any wise helo genius' out there that know of a way to power a brushless CP+ tail conversion?

I saw a photo online that a guy had taken, I thought it was here, where he'd put a really tiny outrunner on the boom of the Blade CP, I think it was about 1500KV, and attached it onto the boom direct drive style.. I don't see why you couldn't use a brushless in runner, it seems it would be easier to rig a mount to the boom.

He used a little prop for a rotor (I've got tons of tail rotors...don't ask), and I remember he said you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO use a CC 9 amp esc. I don't know why, he just said nothing else was worth trying ( he probably tried them all).

My goal, of course is to get rid of that freakin' 3 in 1 money pit mixer forever, get much more tail authority, and not require a new motor every other flying session.

Right now, I'm using a 20 amp ESC for my 370 park motor brushless IN-runner main motor... so do I simply solder up a "Y" connection from my battery to the 9 amp ESC AND the 20 amp main ESC, then send that 9 amp juice to the tail motor, and then place my S90 eFlight gyro inline between the RX and the gyro? That seems logical, but I'm pretty far from being all up on DC things, and I don't wanna see a puff of "magical electron smoke".

I'm also going to ditch the FM RX and get another 2.4 for $24 from XHELI, and use the radio from my Belt CP.V2 (with the variable gain knob) so I can finally take advantage of the G90's gain connector....

Any help would be greatly appreciated!-

Stay Thirsty, My Friends....

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12-14-2009 07:05 PM  7 years agoPost 514
BOB WHO?

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Downey, Ca.

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You are in the right place to get the help you seek. I don't have the time at this moment to respond but will later tonight or tomorrow.

Bob

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12-14-2009 08:44 PM  7 years agoPost 515
JugMan

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Chicago, IL U.S. of A

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Thanks, I'm all ears!

Thanks Bob, I appreciate any advice you've got. I'll check back later and see what you suggest!

Stay Thirsty, My Friends....

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12-15-2009 02:52 PM  7 years agoPost 516
BOB WHO?

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Downey, Ca.

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Ok JugMan
Here is how I have my BCPPs set up. I have an Eflite y-harness with JST connectors (3) that connect the battery (1050mAh 30C) to both the main esc (TB-18) and tail esc (TB-9). I don't solder these connections because sometimes I want to disconnect one of the motors. The main esc plugs into the throttle channel of the rx and of course the three wires from that esc connect to the main motor. The gyro (most of us use the Futaba GY 401- it is rock solid) plugs into the rudder channel of the rx and the connector with a single wire (from gyro) with the plugs into the Gear channel of the rx. Now the connector that comes off the tail esc must be altered slightly. Gently lift the tab that holds the 'RED' wire and gently pull that wire out of the connector. Put some heat shrink tube over the metal end of the 'RED' wire to insulate it. Tuck it away somewhere. The reason you are doing this is that the gyro already has power from the rx and you do not want to power it up again from the tail esc. Now connect the tail esc to the gyro. I run some servo extension wire through the boom (shortened to 10.5” or 11” for better balance) to power the tail motor. I like the Hyperion Y12L 4100kv tail motor because that seems to be the best BL tail motor that is readily available nowadays; I like it better than the Feigao. Medusa (the best BL tail motor) is out of the RC business. I use an Eflite pro2 tail motor mount inverted to mount the motor. I turn it upside down (the tail motor is on the right when looking from behind the heli) so the air from the prop cools the motor. The tail motor rarely gets above 75-80 degrees after any flight. I install a GWS (GW/H001-FD5002-015) tail fin just in front of the tail motor. I use a GWS 3020 or a GWS 3030 prop that presses on the tail motor shaft. One more thing I recommend is the 'paper clip mod'. This a simple mod where you remove the retaining pin that holds the head on the main shaft and install a 1/2" piece of a small paper clip in it's place. I bend the ends of this new pin over with a pair of needle nose pliers. This sacrificial pin will easily break in a crash and save your electronics. It is quickly replaced if it breaks. That's the basic set-up on all of my BCPPs with double brushless motors with separate escs.

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12-15-2009 07:44 PM  7 years agoPost 517
JugMan

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Thanks Bob_Who!

I would have missed the bec wire *remaining* on the TB18 (to the RX), and *dis-connected* on the tail. That's when I would have hit the wall again late at night (when I'm most productive) and got stuck. I'm guessing that a double dose of power to the gyro would not be a good thing (magic smoke generator?). Those part numbers will give me an excellent start and save me dough (a preoccupation here lately), by avoiding the wrong stuff.

Now I've got something to work on over the holidays...
I was starting to hover my 450 in the shop yesterday because the weather here is pretty lousy, and the Blade is down, so I was getting antsy cabin fever. The Blade worked well size wise in the shop.
Man, the shop got really small-really quick with that 450! Prudence (fear?) got the better of me before the carnage began. Back down! I read the post about the eye slash (lucky man), and my buddy lacerated his shin well on a 450's carbon blades (stiches) last summer, and my own blade slashed my forearm while I was tracking it last week (yes, I was holding the skids, stupid stupid stupid). That was the first time in 40 years of modeling that I got cut. I get a head speed of about 4800 rpm on my tach so the Blade IS a good Ginsu.
You are 200% correct to suggest protective eye wear. I found some safety goggles that were only about $15 that actually had +1.75 diopter lenses, all plastic, but pretty great anyway... like a bi-focal saftey goggle.

So I'm "on it" now with the Blade.

BIG THANKS! to Bob_Who, and Michilito for posting here about what they've found/done with the Blades. That's why this is such a great hobby/lifestyle! People are open and helpful! Hope I've got something worthwhile to contribute one day.
I'll put some photos out of the little monster in a week or so once I get the parts in (and maybe one of my slashed arm "tattoo" as a warning to others)...
-JM

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12-16-2009 01:29 AM  7 years agoPost 518
BOB WHO?

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Good Luck JM!

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01-08-2010 01:15 AM  7 years agoPost 519
dbldins

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Danville,Ky.

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Been chiming in on this post since incept. Flew the cp yesterday. After 3yrs of flyin it still bring me great joy.I can always rely on the cp to fly! Own 2 trex and a Raptor 30 as well. Think I get much more from the cp!!!? The original blade cp at that.

I'm addicted to flying! Seriously!! I need rehelihab!

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01-08-2010 01:21 AM  7 years agoPost 520
kydreamsllc

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Frankfort, KY

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I sold mine and bought a Trex 450

Coming out of heli retirement...

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