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07-12-2008 11:46 AM  9 years agoPost 1
bcook01

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I thought a forum was to share information. We just lost another good source of information ........ Ipergallo..... because he voiced his opinion on services provided by others.

Soon we will be talking to ourselves. It is too bad that information cannot be shared openly without being chastised.

This is the first time on the internet that I have seen this occur other than for abuse, obsenity, pronography or racial issues.

It appears I will need to go to the "dark side" to share information with other turbine owners as good sources are "drying up" here.

most dissapointing to say the least.

Bob

It's cheaper to learn from others.

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07-12-2008 12:45 PM  9 years agoPost 2
MattJen

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unfortunatly Bob,

There are rules, and Lou tended to be aggressive and advertise for bergen or Wren...

he always pushed Bergen, fair enough we all have our favourite helicopters, as do i, but it was always advertising, for Wren, and bergen, which is why Bell needs to be careful cos he is always on about wren,and doing their advertising for them,

i noticed lou was crossed out, and i was gonna put up a thread to say the Wren boys are getting few in number,

we do all have a right to say our opinions, i agree, but sometimes some of us go well over the top and i assume that is why it is seen as advertising for a company that doesnt advertise here..

It would be a great shame to loose others like yourself and Lou, so i would suggest keep it to PM... if you have any ideas that could be seen as advertising,

i would also expect that deletion in Lous case was the last resort, I have been told off for advertising and pinked for other reasons, but i have always been apologetic and ate humble pie, knowing Lou and reading his threads he probably was not as diplomatic and said he would carry on, hence the reason bye bye.... - that is just my opinion, but seeing his last comments - go over to the H/F forum, was probaly the final straw.

Matt

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07-12-2008 01:33 PM  9 years agoPost 3
Donovan Dow

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Good Morning All

I am all for information to be provided and questions asked but not blatant advertising for your favorite vender.

cheers
don dow

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07-12-2008 03:58 PM  9 years agoPost 4
Bell Bloke

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Satisfied customers are a companies best advertisement! I come here on Runryder because I want to see more people enjoying Turbine helicopters, I also want to see people doing it as cheaply as possible that is why I have such strong opinions on the subject. In fact if I had my way I would have every heliflier on this forum have a test 'drive' of a turbine for a week just so they could see what they were missing. It is my ultimate aim to take the snobbery out of turbine flying and make it available to everybody by inspiring people to make that move. I also am always available to anybody who has any questions on anything Wren, Predator, Century or Electric since I do know those particular subjects inside out. I have just spent several hours editing a 1hr turbine build video so that others here can see how easy it is to do. This is to help others......not me..... I don't need help becuase I am lucky enough to have a couple of turbines with no problems. I enjoy the banter here with folks like Peter Rob, Chopper Jockey, Mini etc, etc but as bcook01 so rightly says the life blood of this forum is being drained dry because customers can not speak freely about there experiances and findings. This CENSONSHIP for that is what it is, is killing this forum!!! So much for 'free speech' in the 'land of the free.' Words that have no substance......
Alot of the interesting people like Chris Bergen, Sara Parish, Peter Wales, Wolfdad to name but a few have gone. And now you say that I may be next Matt...... Well I will not censor my personal findings and activities that are related to this hobby just because it may threaten my existance here. If Runryder wants a turbine forum full of people who champion the same cause because anybody who does not agree or tow the party line has been kicked out, then it's their loss. Sounds to me like a Communist State don't you think?
Debate is the Godfather of Progress!!
I have no conection with any company in the hobbies industry and I never have had, I am on this forum only as a leasure activity and that's it. I have never, ever been rude or abusive to anybody and you all know that......so my conscience is clear.
But if I am to have my opinions censored then I am out of here. However Matt, to be fair no one has ever even suggested that they were not happy with what I write here on this forum, and why should they.......... Regards Bell Bloke.

PS.bcook01, many many thanks for starting this post, I had no idea he was gone.......

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07-12-2008 04:19 PM  9 years agoPost 5
MattJen

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Bell

this forum would be a sad loss without you going on about turbine hair dryers,etc

It comes down to what is construded as Advertising, i would say what finished lou off was the link to the hellie freak forum, as it was highlighted in blue by Mark...

As i said we all have our favourite hellies, as do i, but to go on and on, can be construted as advertising,and that is what is what he was probably banned for...

i made the comment about you as you always go on about Wren as if you work for them or you are madly in love with Sara, you give a better sales pitch than anyone, i said be careful cos it can be seen as advertising and not an end user like the rest of us just expressing the great service or great euphoria of flying a certain manufacturers turbine..

If you feel strongly i would PM mark and ask why Lou was deleted.

Matt

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07-12-2008 05:15 PM  9 years agoPost 6
Bell Bloke

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Well Matt, what can I say, except that Sara is a top 'bird' she also understands heavy machinary, makes cakes whilst learning 3 oriental languages, and if she wasn't a girlie she'd make a jolly fine chap!

Matt I am only an end user by the way, nothing more.

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07-12-2008 05:18 PM  9 years agoPost 7
MattJen

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i know sara is top notch, if she was 20 years younger i am sure we would be queing up,

Matt

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07-12-2008 05:20 PM  9 years agoPost 8
Mark Ryder

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Look guys, you have no idea about what's going on here. Long standing policies are being challenged. If the challengers get their way, you will not like the outcome. Without policy this place would turn into a sea if overwhelming product promotion (spam) and the ensuing fights about it. Therefore RR policy forbids vendor Reps from influencing discussions.

RR is seven years running and managed in a very consistent way. And believe me, it has to be managed! It's success is not by accident.

In closing, it is very easy to work with and respect RR policy.

Mark Ryder

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07-12-2008 05:24 PM  9 years agoPost 9
Bell Bloke

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Sounds reasonable to me Mark, I hate spam........
Who was Iperagallo working for? I just thought he was a regular heli modeller.

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07-12-2008 05:27 PM  9 years agoPost 10
Mark Ryder

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We are all regular modelers.

Mark Ryder

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07-12-2008 05:34 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Bell Bloke

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So what did he do wrong Mark? I was looking forward to him telling us all about his Bergen and now he's gone, what happened there?
Is it because he put Bergen 3 times in his post? Maybe he was ramming the Bergen thing a bit hard but........Oh bugger I've just put Bergen 3 times in this post.......no 4 times!!!! Sorry

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07-12-2008 05:39 PM  9 years agoPost 12
Mark Ryder

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So what did he do wrong Mark?

This CENSONSHIP for that is what it is, is killing this forum!!! So much for 'free speech' in the 'land of the free.' Words that have no substance......
....
Sounds to me like a Communist State don't you think?
Debate is the Godfather of Progress!!
....
But if I am to have my opinions censored then I am out of here.
I am not going to respond to your inquiry about the obvious.

Mark Ryder

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07-12-2008 05:44 PM  9 years agoPost 13
Bell Bloke

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Ok Mark, I have an idea, why don't you reinstate Iperagallo if he promises to be a good boy and if he doesn't you give me his address and I'll send my girlfriend round to his place and she'll bit his legs off for you............. go on let him have another chance......I'll keep an eye on him for you......

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