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07-11-2008 02:49 PM  9 years agoPost 1
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Anyone here ski and ride ?

Want to know if resorts you go to have some from of rules of the hill that apply to right of way that relates to the mixing of boarders and skiers on runs.

It is winter here and we just got some lagre dumps so everyone is hitting it.
We do not have a lot of sapce to ski here and so we are stuck with boards and skiers, but nothing exists that deals woth the 2 together.

Skiers use a general rule of downhill skier gives way.
But boarders have a blind side when turning so the skiier rule doesnt cover the problem.
Some resorts have banned boards but we do not have the space here to separate the 2.

Boarding is older in the USA than here (in lagre numbers), how do they deal with it in US resorts that have both ???
Currently we dont deal with it at all.
But injuries between the two are starting to stack up in the last few years from collisions.

TIA

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07-11-2008 03:19 PM  9 years agoPost 2
SSN Pru

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I was a skier for 10 years before changing to boarding. There is a large culture difference between the two here. Generally, boarders tend to stop right in the middle of the trail when their legs get tired or they wanna take a break. When I skied I hated that. Now that I board, I try not to do that. I just stop on the side of the trails.
Want to know if resorts you go to have some from of rules of the hill that apply to right of way that relates to the mixing of boarders and skiers on runs.
As far as this is concerned...

Resorts/Mountains have no rules strictly pertaining to the two interacting and enjoying it together.

IMHO...

It is the uphill skier/rider's responsibility to avoid and give way to downhill skiers/riders. skiers can't see behind them either. That's the way I have always ridden and skied.

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07-11-2008 04:14 PM  9 years agoPost 3
legoman67

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on our local mountain whoever is in front has the right of way, if someone hits you from behind it is always there fault.

doesnt matter board or ski..

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07-11-2008 05:27 PM  9 years agoPost 4
rcfreak7

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i board and i stay on the trick sections of the mountain and rarely see a skier

i am my own dog

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07-11-2008 06:03 PM  9 years agoPost 5
leady

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I was a skier for 10 years before changing to boarding. There is a large culture difference between the two here. Generally, boarders tend to stop right in the middle of the trail when their legs get tired or they wanna take a break. When I skied I hated that. Now that I board, I try not to do that. I just stop on the side of the trails.
nicley done, ifi see a snowboarder in the slope its so hard to cover them in snow.

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07-11-2008 09:55 PM  9 years agoPost 6
jcrack_corn

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i make it a point to shred any snowboarder who stops in the middle of a run.....most apologize to me (lol, i spray them, they apologize)...they have no clue how fast us skiers go and how dangerous it is to be there, i consider it a public service.

Plus if they get mad they cant catch me or I just say "almost hit you, you should move to the side" and they they are apologetic and thankfull.

Deer Valley in Park city, UT does not allow snowboarders.....GREAT PLACE.

Snowboarding will never mix with skiing because the vast majority of snowboarders are novices<--because today no one learns to ski just snowboard, you can easily get down a hard blue on your FIRST DAY of snowboarding because boarding laterally is naturally easy and stopping is naturally easy.....so you get boarders going left to right across the entire slope where the skiirs would be DOWNHILL skiing, lol....

Its like turning the whole mountain into bunny slopes.

ohh and 1/4 snowboards can actually get off the damn lift, lol

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07-11-2008 10:10 PM  9 years agoPost 7
geeo

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Here we both have an equal right to have fun no one owns the mountain, but still slope rules must be adhered to (wish i was skiing and i hope you have a nice season).
FIS rules which i think is worldwide?

You are responsible for your own safety and that of other skiers and snow boarders. Be aware of people around you and take necessary action to avoid skiing dangerously or causing a hazard to yourself or others.

Control your direction and speed of travel, taking account of the terrain, snow, weather and traffic conditions.

Select an appropriate path. If you are skiing behind someone it’s your responsibility to ski around them without causing any danger to them.

You can over-take from either left or right but you must leave enough distance between yourself and other skiers to allow them to manoeuvre properly.

Before starting off or pulling out you must look up and down the slope and choose an appropriate moment to execute your manoeuvre, so as not to endanger yourself or other skiers.

Avoid stopping at blind corners or narrow or enclosed places unless you have to i.e. you’re injured. In the case of an injury you must vacate the spot as soon as practicable, to avoid further danger (to yourself or others). You should always stop at the side of the piste.

You must always use the side of the piste to walk up or down, whether with or without skis on.

Pay attention to and follow the signs, markings and notices on the piste.

You are obliged by law to offer help and assistance in the event of any accident.

You are also obliged by law to give your personal details in the event of an accident, whether you caused it, witnessed it or assisted at it.

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07-12-2008 08:27 AM  9 years agoPost 8
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Thanks for replies

I found this covering Montana
It seems to state that the Mountain Rules are law there
And collisions involve exchange of ID.
Montana

Skiers' & Snowboarders Responsibility

The Montana legislature recognizes that there are risks inherent in the sport of skiing regardless of any and all reasonable safety measures which can be employed. The Montana Skier Responsibility Act of 1989 contains provisions that are important to all skiers and snowboarders.

Montana Skier Responsibility Act of 1989 provides in general that:

A skier is responsible for knowing and skiing within the range of his/her ability and for abiding by the requirements of the Skier Responsibility Code.

A skier shall maintain control of speed and course so as to prevent injury to himself or others and shall obey all posted or other warnings and instructions of the ski area operator.

No skier involved in an accident with another skier may depart from the scene of the accident without leaving personal ID; notifying the proper authorities; obtaining assistance when a person involved in the accident is in need of medical help or other assistance.

A skier accepts all legal responsibility for injury or damage of any kind to the extent that the injury or damage results from risks inherent in the sport of skiing.

Your Responsibility Code

Ski under control and in such manner that you can stop or avoid other skiers or objects.

When skiing downhill or overtaking another skier, you must avoid the skier below you.

You must not stop where you are obstructing a trail or are not visible from above.

When entering a trail or starting downhill, yield to other skiers.

All skiers shall wear retention straps or other devices to protect runaway skis.

You shall keep off closed trails and posted areas and observe all posted signs.

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07-12-2008 08:44 AM  9 years agoPost 9
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We have 2 issues here.

One is the mix of the two types and what differs.

The other issues is the hoodies doing "hit and runs"
What I call "common assault"

2 different issues.

Ive skied since 1965.
The second issue has come to the slopes with board riders which I know having skiing the same resort for over 40 years before boards came along.
The 2 issues do get mixed up and boarders get a bad rap for it.
The 2 issues have totally seperate solutions.

Rules of the Mountain do not apply to the criminals who assault people, the Police and Ski Patrol and a system of reporting collisions can help.
Whereby the contact number of police and ski patrol are on signs at bottom lift stations, and the public are encouraged to report this kind of antic.
And lift tickets with a fairly large ID number on them for anyone to see in the lift entrance line.
If they get a few reports of the same head doing it a few times and the description and ticket ID, catching them is too easy.
They have fairly unique combinations of brand named guchi gear and equipment on to describe them.

As far as the rule of giving way to downhill rider or skier, it does not address one difference with the two.

I pass boarders all day at a fair rate of knots.
There is a great number or boarders that can cut a line down the hill but not real fast, they turn wider on a line of descent and can drift even wider if they hold a turn, as they do.
They can go from near you to straight accross and fast in a carve turn gaining speed.

Skiers have a narrow line of descent and boarders have a wide line of descent and the two lines intersect causing collisions.

Field of vision.
If a boarder is turning forehand they can see more up the hill than they can backhand, meaning, anything they see coming from backhand turn is a lot closer before they see it.

The boards turn wide and then traverse fast without notice.
Compared to skiers coming directly downhill on a narrow line of descent....

For skiers I give advice too I suggest that if passing a board rider they do it to the forehand side of the rider so long as the board rider has not initiated a turn across the hill forehand already.
If they pass to the backhand the board rider cannot see them until they are right on them and the rider could cut back across the hill in front of them suddenly.

Maybe board riders should not cut too far off the line of descent to the backhand unless they enter it from forehand and are aware of what is uphill.

I was hoping there was a resort somewhere that was looking at this from a purely technical point of view to make some small additons to rules of the hill to reduce collisions.

If anyone hears of anything outside the standard "downhill skier rules has right of way except when entering a run from the side."
Let me know where.

TIA.

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