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HelicopterThunder TigerRAPTOR 50 › Question for Guys that have both electric and Gas
07-11-2008 11:17 AM  9 years agoPost 1
Kiwi Wanabe

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Just a couple of questions
Used too own a raptor 50 and really loved it, got out of flying a couple of years ago and want to get back in to it, I want another Raptor because they were easy to fix and build, cheap parts and it flew really nice for the sort of flying that i do but i have a mate who is trying to talk me into electric saying that its cheaper,no mess, no hassle because no tuning and the list goes on, i live by a farm so finding a place to fly is not a problem, my question goes out to the people that have both, are they cheaper,( i have looked at the price of batterys and chargers and I am not convinced,), are they still a real buzz to fly like the raptor even though i dont really do anything really extreme, what sort of flight time do you get out of the electric,( i used to love the flight time out of the rappy and even then it was just a quick refill) and if i brought an electric heli would i tire of it( i was years away from tiring of the raptor) so i would really like some opionions from people that have both, thanks

As you can tell,I cant spell,and my flyings abuot the same

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07-11-2008 04:04 PM  9 years agoPost 2
jschenck

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Electrics with 600mm blades typically get 5 minutes of flight time from what I've seen - if you don't want to push the battery too hard. You want to baby the batteries since they are so expensive.

the real issue I've seen with large electric is when you hit the ground with the battery and smoke that pack.

The plus side is no oil, no glow plugs. Very clean and very easy to tune.

As far a "gas" goes, that is not Nitro. I recently purchased a true gas powered heli (Century Predator) and really like that. Clean heli with no oil mess, 20 minute flight times on fuel that is $4.50/gallon (pump gas plus 3.2 oz of oil). The only problem with this is the expense of purchasing the equipment.

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07-11-2008 06:19 PM  9 years agoPost 3
rccarguy

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Boston MA

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I fly both nitro and electric, each has its pros and cons, and this is how I see it.

Electric is nice for being able to grab the heli, TX, and a few charged packs and go fly, no need to haul the field box, fuel, etc. The downside is that once you've used up the charged packs, you're either done for the day, or down for as long as it takes to recharge. With the larger 500 and 600 size helis, the charge time can be significant and potentially not at all practical if you're trying to do it off your car battery, portable generators are better in that regard, but to me the reason for electric power is to go fly without needing to haul extra gear. I often leave the Trex 450 and DX7 in the alloy case in the back of the car with a few charged packs. At lunch time I can take a short drive up the road from where I work and fly in a large field, not practical to do with nitro power.

The nitro machines on the other hand allow me to hang out at the field for as long as I feel like it and fly as much as I care to. Yes I need to carry more "stuff" than I would if I were just out for a quick flight with the electric, but it doesn't limit my options like the electrics do. Besides that, there's just something about a screaming nitro engine and the smell of exhaust smoke

Yeah, there's more maintenance required when flying nitro, but I don't mind it, and it gives me a reason to closely examine the machine after flying. By doing a thorough post flight cleaning and inspection, the next time I go to the field it's just fuel up and fly, I know the bird is flight worthy and nothing is likely to break (at least not right away).

I find that the best way is to go to the field with both nitro and electric. If I get there and decide I just want to get a few flights in with minimum hassle and head out, the electric comes out and I've got 6 fully charged packs ready to go. If the conditions are really good and I want to hang out all day, I can fly both, spacing the electric flights out between flying the Raptor and Zoom 450 nitro so that I don't need to recharge packs at the field.

The difference in flight times I find irrelevant, I can get up to 15 minutes of sport flying out of the Raptor 30, and only 6 to 7 on the Zoom 450 nitro, the Trex 450 falls in between at 7 to 9 minutes. Certainly you can get more flight time in with nitro or gas over the course of a day at the field, but I have just as much fun flying either without thinking about how long each flight will be.

So, all that said, I've lately come to the realization that of all the helis I have available, I like flying the little 450 nitro the best right now. Eventually that will change, and I do still enjoy bashing around with the electric, even if it's only one or two packs.

Nice to have both options to choose from...

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Some obsolete nitro helis too...

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07-11-2008 08:38 PM  9 years agoPost 4
Ben-T-Spindle

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I have both Raptor 50 and E620 and hear is my opinion.

Electrics definitely have a higher initial expense. If you figure the cost of fuel I would say that the cost for 200 flights is about the same. I do find myself flying less nitro and more electric.

I live on the edge of town next to a farm and it’s sure convenient to just step out back and fly my electrics with no support equipment required. Just put extra batteries in my pocket and I’m happy for a while.

Electrics have really come of age and they now have more power than the same size nitro helicopter. The downside is that the flight times are short with electric. Your actual time will depend on how hard you fly. If you just cruise around with a reasonable headspeed and do some sport aerobatics you can easily get over 10 minutes with an E620. Most can’t resist using all that power for wild 3D and only get 5-6 minutes.

The E50 with stock power system is a good compromise is you want to give electric a try. It has power in-between a Raptor 30 and Raptor 50. It also takes smaller batteries reducing the cost. You can easily convert an E550 to an E620 in the future if you want more performance.

You would probably be happy with either choice.

... BTS

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07-11-2008 09:28 PM  9 years agoPost 5
toolman18

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I agree with both guys. I also have electric and nitro. I take both. When my batteries are gone i start flying the Rappy. I dont bother charging them at the field. Also, when practicing at home, its easy to break out the Mini Titan for a couple of laps around the yard.

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07-11-2008 09:48 PM  9 years agoPost 6
RappyTappy

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A small electric, like Trex 500 or MSH protors, is the perfect size for electric. $110 to $130 batts, can buy a good charger for $110 to $130 and they fly so darn well now its crazy. Power to weight a nitro wishes it had, tic tocs are so much fun on it, lol.

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07-12-2008 03:53 AM  9 years agoPost 7
Kiwi Wanabe

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Thanks

Thanks for all the good replys, i am thinking at this stage it will be a trex 500 or a raptor 50, things like pumping juice into the bird before i flew i never used to mind, and also the clean up afterwards i used to enjoy as it was a good chance for a good inspection so it was always ready for the next flight as was also mentioned earlier, sometimes i wondered if i enjoyed getting everything ready and the cleanup as much as i enjoyed flying,and the noise and smoke is cool.
I would love to have both but at this stage i cant afford it,am possibly thinking that i might go back to the nitro raptor and if the funds allow in the future buy a mini titan also( if the missus will let me have two), also one last question, what would say a trex 500 go like in the wind as i know the raptor did not mind the wind as long as it was not to much, thanks everybody

As you can tell,I cant spell,and my flyings abuot the same

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07-12-2008 11:29 AM  9 years agoPost 8
Ben-T-Spindle

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Central Illinois

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The need to be aware that the Trex 500 is a fairly small helicopter. It only has blades that are a little over 400mm but the Raptor E550 has 550mm blades (same as Raptor 30) and the Raptor E620 has 620mm blades (larger than Raptor 50, same as Raptor Titan).

The Century Swift 16 (500-520mm blades) is in-between the Trex 500 and E550 and is a very popular helicopter. From what I have seen it has less mechanical problems than the Trex 500 but I’m sure there are lots of opinions on that.

First you need to decide what size you want (smaller are cheaper but not as stable) then decide on nitro or electric. You might also want to check out Gassers (gasoline engines) – they are very inexpensive to operate and a lot cleaner than nitro but the initial cost is a little higher. The old gassers were large but there are some new smaller ones on the market that look interesting. Just want to make sure that you are aware of all the new helicopters available before you make a decision.

... BTS

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07-12-2008 09:52 PM  9 years agoPost 9
Stolla

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Port elizabeth South​Africa

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My penny worth, I have 5 nitro's ,2 stratus's, vibe 50, sylphide, raptor titan 50. For buy and fly get the raptor, out of the box its been the least problematic, it just works
Since you live on a farm nitro would be my choice as you don't have to drive off to some distant field with all the nitro equipment etc.
Then get yourself the mini titan, I have two of these little beasts, Cheap to run and will make you a better pilot for sure! And when you go visiting friends or so just throw one in the boot and fly whenever you get the chance, it will keep you sharp.
I'm just echoing your thoughts, You're on the right track

Common sense may not be common after all

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07-12-2008 10:29 PM  9 years agoPost 10
RappyTappy

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From what I have seen it has less mechanical problems than the Trex 500 but I’m sure there are lots of opinions on that.
The Rex 500 has mechanical problems?

I like the Swift 16 and I can probably see myself getting one soon and trying it out, its a steal at $190 for the kit!

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07-13-2008 10:11 AM  9 years agoPost 11
Kiwi Wanabe

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Golden Bay,New​Zealand

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Cheers Guys, think i will go for another raptor, had thought about a gasser but always thought they must be really expensive do to their size, had a mate that had a predator and that was nice but he spent a fortune on it and i know that the crashes really hurt his wallet, he was a good pilot and did not crash often but when he did it cost abit

As you can tell,I cant spell,and my flyings abuot the same

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