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07-11-2008 01:40 AM  9 years agoPost 1
zaw

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I been trying to do nose right but I could never do it completely 180* until tonight. I finished whole battery doing Nose Right side-in with some forward and backward motions too. Tail creep slowly into nose in and it was scary!

Gotta do piro's more without crashing too! Last week tried to do piro's first and 2nd battery piroed fine then last one i screw up and some how heli end up in Funnel position start moving in that position. I try to get out of it but end up with a broken tail case and bend holder.

I don't have good hand eye coordination but I'm getting there. Once I get those thing down I'll start work on Figure 8's.

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07-11-2008 01:46 AM  9 years agoPost 2
tryan02

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Keep it up nose right takeoff and landings are getting me I can do them just not as pretty as left. Nose in coming soon.

Congrats on sidein a step is a step no matter what the step.

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07-11-2008 01:48 AM  9 years agoPost 3
TJinGuy

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Nose-in is way easier than side-in but yo uhave to get over the mental block. Just get the heli stable and then whip is around and stop it nose in. Then just move the stick in the direction the heli is going to stop movement. If you get in trouble, whip it back around or if you have TG on, chop the throttle a bit. The hardest part is getting used to your heli drifting right instead of left, well that and looking at your heli from the front.

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07-11-2008 01:52 AM  9 years agoPost 4
tryan02

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Nose-in is way easier than side-in
You sure about that? Not for me must just be my comfort level I can sidein over my shoulder till the battery dies. Nose in 2min and Im done. I am stuck in 2D flying nose left right or tail in Course it may be that my flying field lately has been a sidewalk.

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07-11-2008 02:00 AM  9 years agoPost 5
yellowaircraft

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I agree with TJ nose in seems a lot easier than side-in..

what a man can do, another can do...

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07-11-2008 02:07 AM  9 years agoPost 6
toolman18

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agreed

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07-11-2008 02:07 AM  9 years agoPost 7
jwhitacre

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Side in easier here

Depleting the world of parts, one crash at a time!!

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07-11-2008 02:09 AM  9 years agoPost 8
TJinGuy

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The heli is just hard for me to see it move when side in. When you are nose-in, it is just like tail-in. You can see the heli lean this way and that, and you can see the tail and nose change in relation to each other.

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07-11-2008 02:09 AM  9 years agoPost 9
zaw

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I did try nose in once when snow was on the ground. It was about 40ft in the air and far away from me. Move stick to direction it lean only worked for me about 2 sec before I get all confused. For now, nose right then nose left and piro's.

I also put different color rubber bands on skids too, help me see what its doing better.

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07-11-2008 02:11 AM  9 years agoPost 10
TJinGuy

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PUt some freaking TG on it and do nose-in 10in off hard ground! That way there is no way to crash, just grab th.hold when every you get freaked out.

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07-11-2008 02:13 AM  9 years agoPost 11
jwhitacre

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PUt some freaking TG on it and do nose-in 10in off hard ground! That way there is no way to crash, just grab th.hold when every you get freaked out.
Agreed ya gotta learn it sometime and the 3-4 mistakes high theory isn't always the best method. Slap the TG on and learn Below 1 mistake

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07-11-2008 02:39 AM  9 years agoPost 12
tryan02

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NO I wont do it no matter what you say.

OK but zaw yeah you should use a TG like those guys said or youll be like me and never learn to fly very well.

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07-11-2008 04:56 AM  9 years agoPost 13
Burlyman38

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I have just been going back to RADD at square one, but startin the heli side in. IN THE BOX, people, keep it in the box.

I have to say that both side in and nose both have been posing a few problems. Just go to keep chugging. Every time I see a new video from fender, I keep thinking that he was where I am at now not too long ago.

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07-11-2008 05:33 AM  9 years agoPost 14
!2Old2Fly

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Flying fixed wing, it's almost alyways side in. You rarely get a real tail in situation. Two tricks we used to tell the beginners, and which one they'd use really just depended on what they could get their head into.

1) Fly it over your shoulder. If it's left side toward you, mentally turn so it's coming over your right shoulder. If it's right side toward you, turn the other way. If it's coming over your shoulder, it's always tail in!

2) Get in the cockpit! Mentally sit in the plane, and fly it as if you're sitting in the pilot seat. Same would work for helis (although I was more of a "over the shoulder type".

Once you've been doing it for a while, it becomes natural, and you don't need the crutches any more. But when you're starting out, anything you can do to get past the early crashes is a plus!

I also like the "stay under 1 mistake" philosophy. That's pretty much how I've been working with the 450. Under 1 mistake, with TG on. I'm pretty firm not to get into trying circuits until I can "comfortably" side it that one.
The CX2 is forgiving. The 450 isn't quite so mild mannered.

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07-11-2008 11:16 AM  9 years agoPost 15
tryan02

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2) Get in the cockpit! Mentally sit in the plane, and fly it as if you're sitting in the pilot seat. Same would work for helis (although I was more of a "over the shoulder type"
And they laughed at me when I said that. Its what I do, theres an extreme concentration that you actually dont know which way you are moving the sticks.

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07-11-2008 04:04 PM  9 years agoPost 16
!2Old2Fly

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2) Get in the cockpit! Mentally sit in the plane, and fly it as if you're sitting in the pilot seat. Same would work for helis (although I was more of a "over the shoulder type"
And they laughed at me when I said that. Its what I do, theres an extreme concentration that you actually dont know which way you are moving the sticks.
It was a pretty common phrase around the fixed wing group I used to fly with. After a while, you reach the point that you can "feel" what the plane is doing in the air. And you're right, once you're locked in, you don't think about how much stick you're using, nor are you really aware of it. You just do what comes natural.

I'm betting that the same thing would work for helis.
Okay, for scale like flying anyway. I don't think I could handle the mental aerobics to try it for 3D, but I really don't have much interest in that anyway. So the "Get in it" would work fine for producing some nice scale flying.

My "someday" bird is probably a 90 size Bell 222 (love those)... detail out the interior... flybarless head... Someday.

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07-11-2008 04:47 PM  9 years agoPost 17
racin06

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Nose-in was definately the most difficult for me to learn. However, once you master nose-in, it becomes just another orientation. Once I had nose-in learned, it really opened up my flying because no matter what new maneuver I may attempt, I always have a bail out option to any orientation. Sometimes, I'm still amazed that I can hover nose-in. It is an awesome feeling when your stick inputs are automatic without having to think it.

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07-11-2008 05:10 PM  9 years agoPost 18
Gregor99

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Western Wa

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I've heard it said before and it bares repeating. You don't think about where to place your feet when walk. It needs to be the same way for flying. In the learning stages, you have to "think" your fingers into position. But until it becomes as natural was walking, there's too much "brain overhead" involved for the control to fluid and fast. I'm not completely there yet will all of my upright orientions and occassional find myself thinking about stick movements.

For me, nose left came very quickly after tail-in. But nose-right took almost as much work as nose-in. I'm more comfortable nose-in than either side, but that's mostly due to all the practice time I have doing nose-in.

My biggest problem side-in, is during FF, its hard to tell the distance from me to the heli. As the heli begins to change direction (left/right), the only clue is a slight tilt on the rotor, which I don't always see. The boom doesn't tilt up or down like when the heli is going up or down. More than once I've been surprised that the heli ended up closer than I expected.

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07-11-2008 09:57 PM  9 years agoPost 19
mfcrash

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the way i got to nose in is by taking off from nose in. took some time but well worth it. but u have to get comfortable with right and left side first. and every one is write it has to become second nature. and practice on a sim it helps. that is what I do when my heli is down or the weather does not allow.

we live we crash we learn

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07-11-2008 11:37 PM  9 years agoPost 20
racin06

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Indianapolis, Indiana

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As the heli begins to change direction (left/right), the only clue is a slight tilt on the rotor, which I don't always see.
Flying the heli in FF from left to right or right to left in front of me is also a challange. Especially, when I'm flying the heli quite a bit of distance from me. Yes, it is difficult to see that tilt of the rotor disk from a distance. One thing that works for me is to wiggle the aileron stick back and forth a little. That always helps me to immediately determine the orientation.

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