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07-10-2008 09:39 PM  9 years agoPost 1
frickey295

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Just curious to see how many of you guys fly magnum fuel. Buzz over at magnum is selling 20% at $20.00 a gallon shipped to a business address. You must by a minimum of 3 cases but at $240.00 for the fuel which includes shipping I think I'm going to grab it . Just wanted some feeback before purchasing. I didnt ask him about 30% availability

Thanks for the feedback

Frank
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07-10-2008 10:03 PM  9 years agoPost 2
marked23

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I've used Magnum Fuel in the past with very good results, but continued to use CoolPower because that's what's available around here.

I just got a shipment of Buzz's new blend this morning. He's not saying what is in it. But it's meant to be used as a replacement for 30%. It's supposed to be best used with his special glow plugs, but I'm going to try it with several different setups and see what works best.

Anybody in the Seattle area that wants to try this stuff for a couple tanks (including borrowing a glow-plug if necessary) is welcome to have some. Just arrange to meet me at the Snohomish field.

-Mark

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07-10-2008 10:17 PM  9 years agoPost 3
frickey295

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Yep
thats what he told me, that it was a special blend and needed the new plugs he will be getting in soon. He mentioned the redline runs great with reg plugs but the hyper seems to have trouble with idle with this new blend. Let me know how it works out for you

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07-11-2008 12:11 AM  9 years agoPost 4
bl8zn

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I inquired about this new fuel with the shortage going on....He refused to tell me the blend and what it consists of. Why so hush hush? Needless to say I'll fly something else. I'm sure it will fly fine but if I'm going to purchase something I feel I need to know what it is.

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07-11-2008 12:32 AM  9 years agoPost 5
marked23

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If he's got something that works well, and it's cheap enough to make useful fuel, and other fuel companies don't know about it, he probably shouldn't spill the beans. I wouldn't.

It's a genuine competitive advantage... Until some other fuel company figures it out.

-Mark

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07-11-2008 12:55 AM  9 years agoPost 6
payne1967

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if the hyper doesn't idle with this fuel then a re-think on the mix is needed, the hyper is the most popular 50 engine around my area and i guess in a lot of places so you need a fuel that works well with all the popular engines without tuning issues

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07-11-2008 01:00 AM  9 years agoPost 7
marked23

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If it works well in any of the popular engines (I'm not talking 0% nitro engines), then it should work well in all of them. You just need to find the proper plug, shim, and tuning.

But I haven't tried it yet. We'll see.

-Mark

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07-11-2008 01:09 AM  9 years agoPost 8
payne1967

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the hyper's i know run from 10%-30% nitro with out any adjustment of the head shims on any of the fuels in the uk and on os8 or enya 3 plugs
if you need to start adjusting the compression on it then its time not to use the fuel, stick to what works

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07-11-2008 01:15 AM  9 years agoPost 9
marked23

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Yeah, but I'm feeling all experimental-ly. And if I can get this stuff to work, I don't have to worry so much about nitro prices.

It's not a "is it better", it's more of a price vs. performance argument. I'd guess it's very unlikely that this fuel will be better than what we're already using. But if it's practical and cheaper, I'm willing to put up with it.

-Mark

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07-11-2008 03:15 AM  9 years agoPost 10
Steff Giguere

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Our club's supplier sells Magnum fuels so we are close to 50 guys using this fuel and some have been using it for over 5 years...works great for us.

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07-11-2008 03:57 AM  9 years agoPost 11
wings19

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Everyone in our heli club is running Magnum with no problems.

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07-11-2008 04:44 AM  9 years agoPost 12
jal250r

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if the hyper doesn't idle with this fuel then a re-think on the mix is needed, the hyper is the most popular 50 engine around my area and i guess in a lot of places so you need a fuel that works well with all the popular engines without tuning issues
If Nitro jumps price again I will buy the .50 size engine that runs best on this "new Blend" I would invest 200 bucks on a redline to save 10,12,15 bucks a gallon on fuel. I agree on "sticking to what works" but the saveings could be well worth "finding what works"

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07-11-2008 05:20 AM  9 years agoPost 13
pariah

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If he's got something that works well, and it's cheap enough to make useful fuel, and other fuel companies don't know about it, he probably shouldn't spill the beans. I wouldn't.

It's a genuine competitive advantage... Until some other fuel company figures it out.
This is a two-edged sword. The only two fuels I've found in my area are Magnum & Cool Power. Magnum is indeed cheaper. And it seems to burn fairly well.

But I really didn't like how Magnum wouldn't tell you much about went into its fuel ("methanol, synthetic lube, and nitro". It's only recently that Magnum even told you how much oil went into the fuel. They still doesn't list the purity of its methanol or oxidizer (ie. nitro).

Transparency is generally a good thing - Wildcat and Morgan make it a selling point that they use the purest of methanol and nitromethane, and that they use name-brand and respected lubricants (Klotz and Morgan - both of which have long histories in auto racing).

I'm personally willing to pay a few dollars more for a few fewer secrets. Just like I'm willing to pay more at a deli for real pastrami instead of some pre-packaged mystery meat.


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07-11-2008 05:35 AM  9 years agoPost 14
drdot

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fwiw..

Buzz has always made great fuel..Been using the 30% for a number of years...I'm sure he will work whatever bugs exist out of the new blend..As the future of nitro supply is uncertain, Buzz is to be commended for his work.

John.

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07-11-2008 06:11 AM  9 years agoPost 15
pariah

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As the future of nitro supply is uncertain, Buzz is to be commended for his work.
The future of nitro is certain - it's not going away, ever. Most nitro isn't even used in fuel, but for other things, like pharmaceuticals.

I've lived through at least three short-term shortages of nitro, and the sky never fell, because humanity isn't willing to do without the non-fuel uses of nitro.

Nevertheless, I agree Buzz should be commended for his work - rather than simply raising prices or slashing nitro, he put an alternative to use.

But I'm still surprised with the "trade secret" attitude. It's all but certainly a well known performance-enhancing fuel additive, that releases "extra" oxygen when burned (just like nitro).

Any decent analytical lab would be able to determine exactly what his secret ingredient is, and for probably only a thousand dollars or so - peanuts for a fuel maker.

I wouldn't be suprised if the QC lab at the larger fuel companies are able to do the same analysis, and have already done so.

Which goes along with my point - he's not hiding anything from his competitors, only his customers. This bothers me.


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07-11-2008 02:09 PM  9 years agoPost 16
jal250r

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I for one will be trying this fuel if it can save me good amounts of money. I dont care if I need a special plug and I dont care whats in the fuel as long as its not wreaking my engine. My walet is not full of green and this could be a great help to poeple if fuel prices stay high.

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07-11-2008 02:16 PM  9 years agoPost 17
BJames111

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a couple of weeks ago, Buzz came up to Billings for our small funfly. I had a chance to fly some of his new fuel and our results were outstanding. With my YS91SR It seemed to actually have MORE power than the morgan fuel I was used to using. Tuning was a little different but that's to be expected, From what I understand the new plug will make difference as well. It didn't idle as well as the magnum 30%, but WHO CARES??? All it has to do is idle for about 15 seconds after I start the engine and carry it to the flight line. Buzz has every right to keep his proprietary blend secret, of course I am curious what it is, but hey I just want to fly my heli, I don't really care what's in the fuel as long as it works well, and it definately does!

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07-11-2008 02:57 PM  9 years agoPost 18
Henrik Engert

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Who makes this special plug?

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07-11-2008 04:06 PM  9 years agoPost 19
frickey295

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Well
I just want to thank everyone for the responses on this topic.
I see a good amount of opinions starting with our friends in the UK to the guys at Heliproz, to a guy not far from my home town. We all know that times are tough and I hope you all are looking for solutions that are both logical and economical as I am. When you see a fuel available at a rather attractive price, 1 would tend to jump on it immediatly and with the feedback from everyone here I will go ahead and place an order within the next few weeks (I still have 3 gals of of CP30% left) but it wont last forever.

Thanks again

Frank
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07-11-2008 04:12 PM  9 years agoPost 20
AzHyper

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Lets not forget that a good reliable idle and transition is important for shooting autos as well. If this new blend is a compromise I'd personally go back down to his 20% traditional ingredients and work on refining performance via exhaust tuning and spraybar mods. Or maybe it's time for that big block conversion and run it on 20%.

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