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07-12-2008 01:46 PM  9 years agoPost 61
TRACERBOB

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This is our future.

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Mr AddCollective, If you have nothing to add to this thread other than casual insults, then go away. Stop making a fool out of yourself.

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07-12-2008 01:59 PM  9 years agoPost 62
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Iran is a country made up of among the most religiously-insane fanatics on the planet, and they're led by a nut-job who won't be happy until he's made half the Middle East and all of America radioactive. That regime must be stopped before they achieve the capacity to enrich uranium to weapons-grade quality (if they haven't already), using ANY methods necessary to accomplish the task without ground troops getting involved.
Unless I am mistaken, the USA is the only country in the world that has ever used Nuclear Weapons.
So who are you to judge who is the most dangerous?

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07-12-2008 02:14 PM  9 years agoPost 63
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Mr AddCollective, If you have nothing to add to this thread other than casual insults, then go away. Stop making a fool out of yourself.
LOL
So unless we follow you like sheep, our opinions are not appreciated?
Your arrogance is astonishing.

Exactly what makes you think that China would just stand by, while you destroy the future of their country that over a Billion of their people rely on?
As the 2nd largest oil producer, Iran is vital to China's future development.
Right now, the technology is developed which in 15~20 years makes most of the world reduce their oil dependency to a level, which can be supplied by other countries.
Iran makes a lot of noise and drums it's chest. So what?
These countries have always done this...it's in their nature. But it's all noise.
Without them being able to sell their oil to us, they will be back throwing stones at each other in no time.
They are just as dependent on us as we are at the moment on them.

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07-12-2008 02:43 PM  9 years agoPost 64
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As the 2nd largest oil producer, Iran is vital to China's future development.
Actually, Iran is the fourth largest oil producing nation and they have the third largest oil reserves.

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07-12-2008 03:18 PM  9 years agoPost 65
TRACERBOB

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So unless we follow you like sheep, our opinions are not appreciated?
Your arrogance is astonishing.
Your missing the point, he's troll. His only intention is to start trouble. See, he's already done it, judging by your comments.

Yes the middle east does do a lot of sabre rattling and the west would be stupid to do something about it. Brovic is correct in a way. We should have diplomatic relations with Iran. There's an old Chinese proverb that says "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer".
Unless I am mistaken, the USA is the only country in the world that has ever used Nuclear Weapons.
So who are you to judge who is the most dangerous?
Nukes are weapons of last resort and that's the way we used them. The bloodshed would've been far greater if we had to invade Japan. And think where Australia would be now if the Japanese had prevailed. The only reason the Russians didn't use nukes in WWII is theirs was not ready before the war ended and where did we get the data to build these things? From the Nazis of course and I'm use sure they would have used them to maximum effect. So don't play that card.

Let the Iranians build a nuke. But first, lets gather all the Muslim national leaders together to a desolate site and give them a demonstration of what they'll get in return for using a nuke. 40 megatons carries a lot of "shock and ah"

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07-12-2008 03:59 PM  9 years agoPost 66
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Unless I am mistaken, the USA is the only country in the world that has ever used Nuclear Weapons.
So who are you to judge who is the most dangerous?
Nice try.

We dropped those two bombs to END the worst war this world has seen. In the end, it saved many many many more lives than it would have taken to end conventionally.

Oh, we saved your ass in WWII too...
Let the Iranians build a nuke. But first, lets gather all the Muslim national leaders together to a desolate site and give them a demonstration of what they'll get in return for using a nuke. 40 megatons carries a lot of "shock and ah"
I agree. A big part of the reasoning behind a large number of the nuclear tests conducted in the mid 20th century were to showcase the awesome power of the technology. It worked then. I am not so sure that it will work to that sort of extent with these Muslims though. The world powers at the time had a sense of self preservations. They didn't want to die. The Radical Muslim doesn't care if they die in their efforts to annhialate the world.

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07-12-2008 04:55 PM  9 years agoPost 67
dick smith

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Oh well, since you hold all the cards then, you can go this one alone.........................

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07-12-2008 05:08 PM  9 years agoPost 68
1stPlace

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Oh well, since you hold all the cards then, you can go this one alone....
It amazes me how many of you dicks chime in here with stupid comments that are completely irrelevant. Not one person has said we should invade or bomb Iran. Your a fool dick... Nobody loves you!

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07-12-2008 09:33 PM  9 years agoPost 69
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Exactly what makes you think that China would just stand by, while you destroy the future of their country that over a Billion of their people rely on?
As the 2nd largest oil producer, Iran is vital to China's future development.
This is a very serious dilemma.

What would China do, especially with them now hosting the Olympic games?

I know one thing, I wouldn't want to get that sleeping giant mad. China is the only country that the USA should seriously consider a real threat if anything goes down.

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07-13-2008 12:01 AM  9 years agoPost 70
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What would China do, especially with them now hosting the Olympic games?
Are you insinuating that they would harm Olympic athletes in retaliation?

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07-13-2008 12:16 AM  9 years agoPost 71
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I don't think Israel or Bush would attack before the Olympics.

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07-13-2008 12:51 AM  9 years agoPost 72
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Oh, we saved your ass in WWII too...
Cmon, really? WE gave a lot more than we took, in that one brother. I love the way you US dudes throw that up, straight away, almost in desperation, wheneva your actions, are called into question Would of been nice if ya didnt stay on the couch so long, when saving the whole worlds a@@ in wwii... 3 million Russians would of appreciated it a whole bunch...slow to act, but so quick to remind us whos doing who a favour eh?
I know one thing, I wouldn't want to get that sleeping giant mad. China is the only country that the USA should seriously consider a real threat if anything goes down.
The US is no longer the largest oil consumer. Its China. The largest Democracy in the world is India, which is going through the same growth. These two countries are where the oil battle will be fought. The US oil usage has tipped over the peak, and US/Western innovation will come up with the next type of energy, long before the oil runs out. I say let the developing world fight over whats left....
The stone age didnt end, cause they run out of rocks,, nor did the steam age end cause the run out of water...
Oil has simply become too expensive, and to complicated, and such devious complications, such as confrontation with Iran, only serve to illustrate the tenuous grip we have on this precious commodity.

And heres another one. Why are we trading this commodity, as a currency? I understand that people/new businesses, need to know the price of oil for next year,(hence speculating), but it juss seems counter intuative to burn a 10 buck note , to light a ciggarette.

Heres why the Aussies, have to need the US.

1. WE reside on one seventh of the worlds land mass, as an island.
2. We have a tiny population, based mostly on the outskirts of that island.
3. We are a fabulously wealth nation, due to our resources.
4. China and India need access to said resources, and are growing increasingly frustrated by the rising cost, of their economic expansion.
5. Both countries need Laubanstaum, and we are a fairly fat peach, on the tree ,ready for picking.
6. Both countries are on a full on expansion of their militaries, specifically, the development of a true, Blue Water, Navy.

Under a very specific set of circumstances,,,,,,

Thats why were with ya every time there guys,, you US guys serving in the middle east,, keep an eye out for our flag, and say gday to our troops serving there with ya.
Noone wants the US to stay on top, more than us,

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07-13-2008 01:19 AM  9 years agoPost 73
1stPlace

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The US is no longer the largest oil consumer. Its China.
Are you sniffing glue? China is still 12 million barrels a day behind the U.S.


World's top oil producers and users in 2007

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07-13-2008 02:07 AM  9 years agoPost 74
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Keep in mind when you are reading 1stPlace’s link to “world oil reserves” that it is for conventional oil only. Canada’s Athabasca tar sand hold nearly 1.7 trillion barrels of extractable crude, that is more than twice the total for the entire middle east, and just less than the entire worlds known reserve of 1.75trillion.

On top of that, the US, Russia and Venezuela have huge heavy oil deposits coming close to 1.5 trillion barrels. We are far from out of oil. As of today Canada exports close to 2million barrels a day to consumers in the US of our synthetic crude. It is in your gas tank now.

So let them keep their oil, we have lots, and how long will they be able to keep living like kings and acting like thugs if they stop getting our oil money.

I say buy what you need from your friends not your enemy! That goes for oil and all other commodities, support your own industries and your friends.

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07-13-2008 02:22 AM  9 years agoPost 75
1stPlace

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I say buy what you need from your friends not your enemy! That goes for oil and all other commodities, support your own industries and your friends.
Amen woodchopper!

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07-13-2008 02:25 AM  9 years agoPost 76
Heliguychris

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The US is no longer the largest oil consumer. Its China.

Are you sniffing glue? China is still 12 million barrels a day behind the U.S.

World's top oil producers and users in 2007
My gaff, i mean energy use, as repoted on SBS tv last week.

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07-13-2008 02:34 AM  9 years agoPost 77
Sean Williams

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So let them keep their oil, we have lots, and how long will they be able to keep living like kings and acting like thugs if they stop getting our oil money.
It's aboot time you said that!

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07-13-2008 04:07 AM  9 years agoPost 78
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what gives you guys the right to say who can have nukes or not? - Heliguychris
who are you to judge who is the most dangerous? - alfred
So essentially what you're both saying is that you're FINE with insane regimes led by insane dictators having nuclear weapons and the missiles with which to launch them? Please tell me you're joking.

If your eyes and ears still work then your minds are gone.

Permitting insane dictators to own nuclear weapons is akin to giving loaded guns to guys with road rage, only on an infinitely larger scale. Folks who are existentially blind are rarely able to comprehend the urgency of such risks.
if they dont listen, what ya gunna do about it?
If 'we' do nothing about it BEFORE they succeed, then very likely millions of innocent non-muslim sane people will be nuked. Is that what you'd prefer?

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07-13-2008 07:21 AM  9 years agoPost 79
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So wat if iran nuke israel i, i dont care if they retalliate.im here and the;re there........ All that middle east crap wastes my valuable tv time watching sport.

Hey america, go in and take em out, thats your style.... Gunheads are go... But dont ask me or my government to support you this time in a coalition of the willing

Oh, and your personal attacks are boring, watt are you gonna do bout it 1st place

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07-13-2008 07:31 AM  9 years agoPost 80
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Hey, "dick", how've ya been "dick"?

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