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07-10-2008 04:44 AM  9 years agoPost 1
Dr.Rivet

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For example I often write to my boss when emailing him a report or document for his review and approval:

...I've attached the report to this message per your request for your review and consideration... please feel free to give me your feedback if any changes and/or additions are needed....

So, in English language I meant to say for him to contact me if any following three possibilities are true: changes, additions, changes and additions.

In Boolean search this would mean: (changes AND additions) OR changes OR additions.

Question is if my use of "and/or" statement is correct in plain English sentance or not?

Please consider that English is my third language out of five which I speak fluently or at least I think I do.

Thanks

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07-10-2008 04:47 AM  9 years agoPost 2
GimbalFan (passed)

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feel free to give me your feedback if any changes and/or additions are needed.
I see nothing illogical or confusing about this sentence -- it's straight-forward and simple. I'd leave off the 'please' though -- 'feel free' pretty much covers that sentiment.
English is my third language out of five
And they would be?

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07-10-2008 05:07 AM  9 years agoPost 3
Dr.Rivet

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Well, my hunch is that in English language operator OR has an equivalent meaning of both Boolean operators of OR and AND combined and using "and/or" in plain English sentence is redundant.

I highly doubt that there are any English major graduates on this forum due to rc helicopters highly technical nature which requires non humanitarian mind set, but still hope to get a reasonable answer.

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07-10-2008 05:09 AM  9 years agoPost 4
GimbalFan (passed)

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my use of "and/or" statement is correct in plain English sentance or not?
Yes, it is correct.

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07-10-2008 06:30 AM  9 years agoPost 5
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Your english is fine, but your boolean algebra is redundant.

(changes & additions) | changes | additions == changes | additions

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07-10-2008 06:39 AM  9 years agoPost 6
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In common english "or" is mostly taken to be synonymous with XOR. I'd go with and/or since very few people understand boolean logic.

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07-10-2008 06:49 AM  9 years agoPost 7
AddCollective

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Rivet, you are correct in your original assertion.

However,

Mid level managers have nothing better to do than worry about what they themselves cannot do. When you prompt them with a message that is intended to convey that all is well, then they feel compelled to add their useless input in order to take more credit for another's efforts.

Moral of the story.

"if they're not f'ing you, don't lay down and ask for it"

instead, "go for it", much easier to get forgiveness than permission.

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07-10-2008 07:31 AM  9 years agoPost 8
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I highly doubt that there are any English major graduates on this forum due to rc helicopters highly technical nature which requires non humanitarian mind set, but still hope to get a reasonable answer.
Wow, a brain-based learner, I am impressed. However, not all assumptions are valid.

You have received accurate responses to your query. Here are a couple of sites you may find helpful:

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/index2.html

http://www.webenglishteacher.com/

Keep your emails short, simple and to the point.

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07-10-2008 10:00 AM  9 years agoPost 9
Dr.Rivet

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(changes & additions) | changes | additions == changes | additions

yes, it's redundant. I feel stupid... must have been thinking about XOR vs OR in English and Logic respectively and got all confused.

Although, the comment about XOR (Boolean notation)==OR (English notation) makes very good sense and this is what I needed to confirm.

So, according to the above assumption that OR(Eng)==XOR(Logic), then "and/or" in plain language is grammatically correct.

Conclusion: I don't give a flying f!@#$ if an email to my boss is grammatically correct and this question was posted to satisfy my curiosity.

Quote from AddCollective is just brilliant. So far from the topic, yet so correct!!!
Mid level managers have nothing better to do than worry about what they themselves cannot do. When you prompt them with a message that is intended to convey that all is well, then they feel compelled to add their useless input in order to take more credit for another's efforts.

Moral of the story.

"if they're not f'ing you, don't lay down and ask for it"

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07-10-2008 02:48 PM  9 years agoPost 10
Topher

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Wow, what a way to over-analyze something. Your English is better than mine and I was born and lived here my entire life.

Add collective, I dont think a truer statement has been posted on this thread. I almost want to make it my new signature.

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07-10-2008 03:13 PM  9 years agoPost 11
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Question is if my use of "and/or" statement is correct in plain English sentance or not?
Your English still needs a bit of work Dr. Rivet...

(Just kidding of course!)

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