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07-08-2008 06:09 AM  9 years agoPost 1
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=46085

According to this, the number of lives saved is almost four times the total number of non-suicide related gun deaths yearly.
Food for thought.

And no, I personally do not have a gun for self defense, or a licence to carry, just an old unloaded 22 rifle in the closet.

Yet.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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07-08-2008 01:07 PM  9 years agoPost 2
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This one will get interesting. I know a few clowns are going to come in to this thread and try to call BS.

It is the same way the media presents news from Iraq and Afghanistan. they only present the sensational crap. Building new schools and providing utilities to villages is not sensational enough. A car bomb killing many civilians gets more ratings.

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07-08-2008 02:01 PM  9 years agoPost 3
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I have a freind who this last winter flashed his gun at someone who jumped him at a stop light, as the guy tried to open his door, he flashed his gun, the guy ran off I think having a gun on him that night saved him some serious greif.

Experiances like that aren't added to the above list, only when shots are fired.

so really just how many are saved each year is probably much higher.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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07-08-2008 02:08 PM  9 years agoPost 4
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20 some odd years ago in DC, I reached into my Jacket like I had a gun there. I know it saved me a bunch of grief. Good thing they did not call my bluff.

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07-08-2008 02:26 PM  9 years agoPost 5
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I thought civilians werent allowed to carry concealed weapons in DC?

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07-08-2008 02:29 PM  9 years agoPost 6
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20 some odd years ago in DC, I reached into my Jacket like I had a gun there.

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07-08-2008 02:30 PM  9 years agoPost 7
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Also,
Good thing they did not call my bluff.

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07-08-2008 02:39 PM  9 years agoPost 8
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I'm just sayen, that if I was a criminal that lived in DC I would have gone ahead and called his bluff.

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07-08-2008 02:43 PM  9 years agoPost 9
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How does mis-reading Spud's post translate to that?

Is there a point you're tyring to make?

Are you saying the victim would be better off un-armed if confronted by a criminal?

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07-08-2008 03:28 PM  9 years agoPost 10
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In DC there are plenty of armed non-civilians. One thing I have learned is Federal building tend to draw a large population of armed Federal employees. Not a bad bluff.

Last time I was in SF (home of our largest local Federal concentration) I was leaving a restaurant when some shaggy jerk tried to stop me. The similarly dressed man on the other side of me stepped up, flashed a gun and told him to move on. He turned out to be a Federal Marshall.

Never under estimate your surroundings.

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07-08-2008 03:47 PM  9 years agoPost 11
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I had a group of 4 or 5 thugs walking towards me and a friend. You could just tell they had something bad in mind. When they were getting close I reached into my jacket like I would if I did have a gun. Not having a gun, it was the only card I had to play. It worked. They thought that I did have a gun and past us by and then started in with another group of people about 30 yards behind us.

Topher, you would call the bluff if you were a criminal and were in DC? What a dumb ass thing to say. What is the point?

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07-08-2008 04:00 PM  9 years agoPost 12
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There really was no point. Keep in mind that I haven't been to DC in many years and don't exactly go around mugging people for a living. Just the last time I was there I witnessed a good amount of crime in a very short time period. It may have a lot of non-civilians that carry weapons but it doesnt mean they are protecting everyone on the streets. Doesn't DC have on of the highest crime rates in the country??? If I lived there I would probably carry a stun gun.

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07-08-2008 04:06 PM  9 years agoPost 13
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as the guy tried to open his door, he flashed his gun, the guy ran off I think having a gun on him that night saved him some serious greif.
Flashing a gun as a deterrent to a potential threat is kind of a dumb gamble in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of handguns, but I do know that the decision to draw your weapon is a serious one. You don't do it half-assed. If you're going to pull a gun, you'd better be damn sure it's a last resort and that you've exhausted all other alternatives to evade/escape the threatening situation. Flashing a gun hoping to scare off the threat might just buy you a bullet in the head.

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07-08-2008 04:26 PM  9 years agoPost 14
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I'm just sayen, that if I was a criminal that lived in DC I would have gone ahead and called his bluff.
Criminals looking to mug someone, for the most part, are not very bright to begin with and probably wouldn't even realize that guns were banned in DC...

Good point though.

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07-08-2008 05:01 PM  9 years agoPost 15
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I'd be willing to bet that if they had been armed, things would have turned out another way. Most likely I would be dead. Most of the punks I have had the misfortune of running into were real tough when the odds were in their favor, but they turned into big pussies when the odd's were more evenly matched. I don't think the group I ran into was armed. I just think they liked the odds off 6 on 2.

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07-08-2008 06:16 PM  9 years agoPost 16
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co_rotorhead

Flashing a gun as a deterrent to a potential threat is kind of a dumb gamble in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of handguns, but I do know that the decision to draw your weapon is a serious one. You don't do it half-assed.
No one is not taking it seriously. But If I pull a gun and don't have to use it, it is better than not pulling it and needing it.

Those that think a criminal is going to pull a gun if you have yours out is not thinking clearly. Unless that criminal is set on killing you, he is not going to get into a gun fight over a wallet when you are already drawn.
If you're going to pull a gun, you'd better be damn sure it's a last resort and that you've exhausted all other alternatives to evade/escape the threatening situation.
So you think it is better to pull and shoot than to scare them off?

I know a couple of people that pulled a gun to keep from getting robbed. NONE of them had to pull a trigger...I think that is a perfect solution.

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07-08-2008 07:44 PM  9 years agoPost 17
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Most trainers will tell you that you shouldn't draw unless you plan on pulling the trigger.

There can be a lot of other alternatives before drawing/brandishing. In some states brandishing is illegal.

But of course it would really depend on the situation... For me if there is absolutely no other avenue to escape and I draw, if the perp suddenly turns tail and runs right at that instance then no I'm not shooting him in the back, that's asking for some jailtime. If the threat does not immediately cease that instant then the threat gets stopped.

So yes I do agree it's better to not have to use it but in my mind, not having to use it basically means not having to un-holster it in the first place. Contrary to what some have stated here in the past I don't have a wild west mentality and the last thing I want to do is shoot anyone for any reason. The legal mess that can follow is something I'd like to avoid

Of course this is all hearsay, as I live in one of two states which feel citizens have no right to self defense.

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07-08-2008 08:10 PM  9 years agoPost 18
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See the biggest problem with our form of gun control is that it makes it harder for honest, hard-working people to protect themselves and easier for thugs to take advantage of the weakness... You have to realize that most people on the street with guns don't go through the BS process that we do.... They just walk up to a guy selling them out of his trunk and proceed to rob whomever they can.

At the end of the day, guns don't kill people... PEOPLE kill people.

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07-08-2008 08:12 PM  9 years agoPost 19
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I go to school in downtown San Francisco and my classmates and I are constantly going and coming from our building at odd hours. Generally, I get in around 10am and leave around 11pm-1am. Every day I pass around 60 homeless schizo crack addicts and it can get sketchy going home sometimes.

I've got a friend that was assaulted by two skateboarding thugs and then sprayed in the eyes with spray paint.

I'm only 20, so no handgun for me, but I take one of these everywhere I go. Legal in SF. But very useful for my work as well!

The "hook" catches on the seam of your pant pocket and opens the knife as you draw it, giving you a seriously fast draw.

Aero-Model/Hacker Brushless/Mikado 2007

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07-08-2008 10:03 PM  9 years agoPost 20
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The below are pics of my protectors to one of my favorite helis .

Oh, they make great protection for the family as well while I'm at it .

To the non-firearms people, may your God protect you and family, you've got every right to use your (dial) 911. I will protect my family in a different fashion, my way, my choice, and my rights . You won't protect me, and I won't protect you...that's a great agreement . I hope never having to use my tools. But, I won't hesitate to use these tools if my family is in imminent fear of bodily harm.

It's not an option for thugs to break into my home or threaten bodily harm to my family in any way. It's just my choice .

These are only some of my tools since I couldn't lug them all out from each room for the purpose of taking pics in fear that my wife would freak out . I've had these tools for years and yet they have not decided to jump out from the safes on their own and go on a rampage. And yes, all my tools are legal and registered in the State of Commifornia :
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Oh, and the rounds in the magazine, in the Sig, are hollow-point . The second non-hallow-point magazine is 'just in case' .

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