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07-10-2008 10:27 PM  9 years agoPost 41
EricW

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When you can fly a RCheli (past hovering, circuitflying)
A lighter and more powerfull heli flies better and easier, period..
It's easier to save it when you make a mistake because it reacts faster and gravity has less influence giving you more time.
If you fly this heli on 5S and set it up with smaller throws or some expo, it's a very nice "next" helicopter.
If you are crashing a lot, regardless what kind of heli you do it with.., your taking to much risks and are pushing your abilities.
If crashing without much damage is your hobby, it doesn't make a difference how it flies or was designed for 3D?? Imho.
Just pick the strongest heli and stock enough blades.

Eric

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07-10-2008 10:58 PM  9 years agoPost 42
RappyTappy

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For me, I like to try and chase the unattainable. Gimme cheap, durable, high performance and low parts count please, lol.

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07-10-2008 11:09 PM  9 years agoPost 43
krashmaster81

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Well put, EricW. That's how I'm planning to set up my Protos. I think I want to try the A123 cells though. Tone it down, get lots of flight time out of it. You may think you are progressing faster if you are pushing hard and crashing a lot... but what about the down time of rebuilding and waiting for parts? Time you could be out there flying ;-)

-Matt

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07-11-2008 12:50 AM  9 years agoPost 44
Brovic777

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Man, that is one fragile heli. You might as well buy a new kit.

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07-11-2008 05:14 AM  9 years agoPost 45
helihell

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Hey rotomonkey,
If I ever become a 3d master I might change my tune, but I'm not holding my breath.
I would have to say you are learning faster than any other heli pilot I have seen to date. And due to selling this stuff I have seen a lot of pilots. Do not sell yourself short.

I agree with EricW as well my second helis where a way overpowered 3D Pro and a La Heli Maxir SE with a wack of throw and gobs of power they where not far off the Protos in ability from what I have seen.The extra power got me out of more trouble than it got me into.

However my 3rd heli was an under powered Hawk Pro. Once I knew how to fly without crashing I detuned my Hawk to help me learn energy managment
flew like that for 2 years and moved onto 50's to try and get that untamable power back.

DOH!

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07-11-2008 05:28 AM  9 years agoPost 46
Blade_Master1

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I detuned my Hawk to help me learn energy managment
bet you that wasn't hard to do detune a Hawk

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07-11-2008 05:47 AM  9 years agoPost 47
helihell

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Well a 30 is a 30 what can I say.
But run 10oz RX batts a really restrictive pipe, low nitro and viola you have a REALLY lumpy 30 But you sure know when you blow your loops and rolls etc.

DOH!

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07-11-2008 02:47 PM  9 years agoPost 48
GScott

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Man, that is one fragile heli. You might as well buy a new kit.
Except that the damage less blades was probably less than $100. Most of the damage is in the frames which are only $25 for the set. On a Trex 500 if you were lucky enough not to bust the carbon frame (unlikely on a fall under power from 50' especially considering it weighs more) you would be replacing 3 sets of gears for the 9650 which would be $45 themselves. Thanks but I would rather replace the frames especially since this heli goes together very quickly.

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07-14-2008 01:33 AM  9 years agoPost 49
GScott

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I crashed my Protos for the first time today. It went in really hard under power and bounced back up about 5-10 feet after impact. Damage was pretty minimal. Other than the usual (blades, shaft, spindle, flybar) I broke a carbon tail fin and the boom support holder. The frame did break on both sides right behind the front skid mount but it's easily repairable with some carbon fiber and JB Weld. After everyone talking about how fragile it was I expected alot more damage but it survived pretty well. Easily under $100 including blades.

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07-14-2008 02:11 AM  9 years agoPost 50
Blade_Master1

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I'm starting to worry about buying one those helis.

The frames always break even @ 20$ it would be a PITA to rebuild every time.
we are talking a complete rebuild

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07-14-2008 02:57 AM  9 years agoPost 51
Carbon Copter

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Well, I just ordered one after reading all of this. I have seen pictures of Logo frames destroyed in crashes. Looks like a carbon one availabe soon and I am sure the manufacturer will address the frames cracking if it all that common. I was thinking of reinforcing mine when I build it since they seem to crack in the same place.

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07-14-2008 03:00 AM  9 years agoPost 52
Ronald Thomas

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I don't know about reinforcing the frames just yet. Look what breaks in a crash (the frames) and what does NOT (the servos and other electronics!) If you strengthen the frames you may just defeat the natural break point in the frames and destroy electronics. The frames are $25 and electronics are....well more. Think about it first.....Ron

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07-14-2008 04:26 AM  9 years agoPost 53
GScott

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I think you guys are worrying over nothing. My heli hit hard enough that it ejected the lipo 20 feet from the crash site. The frame broke in an area that is easily repairable. Even if I needed to replace it the cost is $25 and about 1/2 hour of time. Would you rather pay $25 for a plastic frame or $65+ for a carbon frame. It also stripped none of the servo gears. Even those flying 9650's aren't stripping many gears. That's most likely another $45 saved over a carbon frame heli. In a crash something has to give. The energy needs to go somewhere....basic physics. I would rather the enrgy be dissipated on a set of easily replaceable $25 frames instead of my expensive servos, lipo. ESC, etc...

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07-14-2008 04:58 AM  9 years agoPost 54
akshaw

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rebuild

If the frame goes it doesn't mean an entire rebuild but is pretty close IMO.

- Thread and re-install to the receiver the servo/gyro wires. Locktite the 24 screws holding the chopper together plus the canopy posts. Add new gyro mounting tape. Get the tail set up (though I noticed in my msheli build it was quite a lot easier than with my trex 450 which is sometimes a real PITA due to the smaller range the tail slider moves in). Re-install pinion. Re-install esc, connect and secure esc-motor wires.

+ Servos are secured to the core and motor is already attached to the motor mount. I think most owners of this heli will agree that once familiar with this heli having to rebuild it shouldn't take more than a few hours.

There is no royal road to flying helis but the sim sure helps!

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07-14-2008 05:57 AM  9 years agoPost 55
krashmaster81

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A FEW HOURS??!?! And I thought I was slow... ;-)

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07-14-2008 09:25 AM  9 years agoPost 56
akshaw

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Yea on second thought I think I underestimated that a bit.
I was probably thinking of those times when I speed rebuilt my trex so I could fly the next day.

At leisure probably like half a day is more realistic.

There is no royal road to flying helis but the sim sure helps!

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07-14-2008 09:36 AM  9 years agoPost 57
Funky Trex

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I saw GScotts Protos go in today and it hit pretty hard. I thought the amount of damage was very minimal considering the force of the impact.

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07-14-2008 02:31 PM  9 years agoPost 58
GScott

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I especially like the bounce. Disappear behind a small hill, hear the inevitable smack, watch it reappear for a second or 2 then disappear behind the hill again. Have to admit it was pretty cool to watch and I was flying it

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07-15-2008 12:01 AM  9 years agoPost 59
Ravenhyper50

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Other than the usual (blades, shaft, spindle, flybar) I broke a carbon tail fin and the boom support holder.
Hey GScott did your flybar carrier brake? Mine does everytime

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07-15-2008 01:32 AM  9 years agoPost 60
Carbon Copter

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I understand the ideas behind the physics aspect of the crash. If it only takes a 1/2 hour to a few hours for a serious crash, that would be pretty good. However, the original crash we are talking about was not really hard (referring to your friends). Honestly though, if you guys are not losing 9650 servos in the crash, that is pretty darn good. I lost all 3 in what I thought was a minor crash on a t-rex 500. Was a pain to replace, especially the Elevator servo. If I was concerned, I would not have ordered it.... I would certainly rather have the frame break than the electronics, that is for sure. Just don't want the frame AND the electronics breaking. But that does not seem to be the case.

It took me all but 3 min to install 3 swash servos in my mini titan. If It is that easy to work on, this heli will make me very happy. I dread taking the servos out of my t-rex 450 as those little tiny screw stops are a pain in the arse. I found some things to make it easier, but it is a pure pleasure on the titian and I like that better.

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