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07-08-2008 02:18 AM  9 years agoPost 1
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07-08-2008 02:20 AM  9 years agoPost 2
Ronald Thomas

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WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED!!!

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07-08-2008 02:49 AM  9 years agoPost 3
Ravenhyper50

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Looked into the sun doing a maneuver and well......

and that was a light crash ...not even full tilt nose first in or anything

Cant imagine what full head speed full tilt to the ground would do ...think nothing would be left

Funny thing is all servo gears 9650's survived the crash
and NOTHING ELSE survived in this crash but Battery (THANKS GOD!) ESC, Gyro and 9254, (Motor , edit motor fan has damage), Paddles, Landing gear, Main gear, Main hub, Blade grips, and some links screws and bearings!
All else has some sort of severe or moderate damage

I never seen a heli take on this much damage even from harder crashes! I really wish the frames were stronger. Guess if you want lightweight strength is sacrificed big time!!

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07-08-2008 03:40 AM  9 years agoPost 4
bonzai888

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Can we say "FRAGILE"!!!!!!!

That looks like my crash last week but not that bad. Started hovering 5 feet off the ground, 10 seconds later "BAM" pinion screw came off the motor shaft. Heli came straight down and of course the skids survived but the frame cracked and the tail case cracked. Let's NOT talk about the paper mache canopy.

Hey, I have to tell myself "This is ONLY the first version"

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07-08-2008 04:10 AM  9 years agoPost 5
akshaw

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Sorry to see the damage was so extensive. I think the core will survive nicely. It is the one piece of the kit that really looks tough. On the other hand if the frame were as thick and sturdy as the core this thing would probably weigh as much or more than a trex 500. Hopefully the plastic frame will be thickened up at the most frequent breaking points. If not, plan to replace your frame whenever you crash. On the bright side, the frame is not that expensive and the build goes pretty quickly.

There is no royal road to flying helis but the sim sure helps!

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07-08-2008 04:25 AM  9 years agoPost 6
Ravenhyper50

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I think the core will survive nicely.
LMAO!

Everything in my list is the only things useful for rebuild.
Even the swash got notchy from the main shaft getting bent.

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07-08-2008 05:28 AM  9 years agoPost 7
Sam2b

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Built to fly

Yeah, this heli is built with performance flying in mind, not hitting the ground. I consider the kit an Intermediate builder's/flyer's kit. The Trex500 may withstand better impact.

_Sam B_
Team MSH USA * Protos Max * Xpert servos * Cyclone Blades * ProgressiveRC * VoltMagic * Ecalc

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07-08-2008 02:30 PM  9 years agoPost 8
akshaw

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Sorry to hear about your swash. Finding more damage is just adding insult to injury. It's evident from your pics that the plastic that holds the core, around the motor mount and motor are too thin to stand up to much. I agree this is an intermediate to advanced fliers heli definitely not a beaters heli. How was your tail boom? Did it get bent?

There is no royal road to flying helis but the sim sure helps!

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07-08-2008 04:30 PM  9 years agoPost 9
rotormonkey

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I think his tail boom was one of the few things that survived. I witnessed the crash. He put it in pretty hard but nothing to warrant that kind of damage. I almost wanted one until I saw that. These things are made of eggshells!

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07-08-2008 04:40 PM  9 years agoPost 10
JKos

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> JUST A LITTLE THUMP ON THE GROUND

> He put it in pretty hard ...

So, which is it? The first statement may not warrant the damage, but the second does.

I'm sure someone will come out with aftermarket carbon frames. MSH has also alluded to a CF version themselves. But, the weight will go up of course.

- John

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07-08-2008 04:46 PM  9 years agoPost 11
akshaw

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From the pics it looks like one of the skids bit into the grass pretty well which in my experience would place it in the moderate to hard crash category.

There is no royal road to flying helis but the sim sure helps!

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07-08-2008 05:17 PM  9 years agoPost 12
rotormonkey

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So, which is it? The first statement may not warrant the damage, but the second does.
Imho, it SHOULD have been a moderate crash. It went in sideways 90 degrees to the ground from about 50 - 60 feet up I'd say.

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07-08-2008 05:21 PM  9 years agoPost 13
JKos

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Ravenhyper50,
We need more details on the crash. You call it a "little thump on the ground" yet a witness says it fell from 50-60 feet up. Is there something you're not telling us about the severity of the impact? Did you hit TH before the impact?

- John

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07-08-2008 06:21 PM  9 years agoPost 14
Sam2b

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What is the interpretation of "a little thump on the ground"? The Protos is stronger than it may seem from the "little thump" description and what the pictures show. To actually tear away the core from the two frame halves is pretty bad, and leads me to believe there's more to this crash than a mere thump.

This heli is made to fly very well in the air, and that it does extremely well.

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07-08-2008 06:25 PM  9 years agoPost 15
GScott

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I agree with Jkos. Going in from 50-60 feet up is not a mild or moderate crash. I don't think a Trex 500 would have faired much better from that height and the frames are twice as much. Also, as John said a carbon frame will be available later this year per Corrado and fiberglass canopies will be available later this month with new paint schemes coming in August.

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07-08-2008 07:04 PM  9 years agoPost 16
EricW

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When you look at the actual damage..
The frame brakes in the right spots IMHO.
The servos are safe, the lipo is still on the tray in one piece,the gyro is mounted to the solid tailblock, and the controller is not smashed.
I've seen some carbon frames do much more damage to electronics and especially lipos.
Those are the parts I want to save in a crash.
When carbon explodes under impact pressure you have a razorblade effect, ever touched a torn carbon plate?.
All very nice those upgrades, but i will only upgrade parts that actually improve things.
like being able to transport the heli without braking the tailfin, broke my second set this weekend by just a light touch with the car seat, those will be upgraded on my heli.
And btw, it would also be nice to announce new upgrades to customers.
Bought two sets of tail blades and a couple of days after that the 3K version is in stock ....

Eric

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07-08-2008 10:18 PM  9 years agoPost 17
SRH990

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I'd pretty much agree with EricW, the reasonably priced frames took the brunt and saved the expensive bits, electric, servos, motors etc. It would be interesting to see how much a Trex 500 would cost to repair in exactly the same crash.

I'd rather have the lightness which gives better performance and accept the hassle of maybe having to replace the frames in a crash than end up with a heli that weighs as much as a Trex 500

Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Beam E4

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07-08-2008 11:02 PM  9 years agoPost 18
Ravenhyper50

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Hey guys,

I have crashed many a heli and IMO this was not a hard crash!
50 feet ain't sh!T and was not even going very fast I have planted helis from much higher and faster with less damage and full idle up.

It hit on its side and.. throttle hold was not hit till after impact... This thing moves so fast had no time!

Man after taking it apart I also noticed that the motor took some damage also the cooling fins on the fan are all busted up.
Man And I cant get just the fan for the motor can I..???

I did tally up all parts needed to get back in the air.. ..and its still less then fixing a Trex 500 common crash!!

I also rather have the frames go and save electronics!

My boom also is bent a little with some dents from the blades from boom striking. Much more damage noticed at home then at the field.

The Protos will get rebuilt! Even after a crash like that parts are so cheap its still one of the cheaper helis to fix after crashing.

The Trex 500 has nothing on the Protos. I have seen trex crashes cost way more then this crash did.
This was the second thump in the ground and all servos are OK along with all other electronics!

Plastic is fantastic!!! Somethings got to brake even if its the frame every time. Just got to get use to the idea of replacing frames after every crash.

I was going to take a hot relaxing bath with the toaster .....but after adding up the crash cost its more like parytime and cant wait to throw the Protos around again.

Fly it like I stole it!

Pro-Tos

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07-08-2008 11:04 PM  9 years agoPost 19
Ronald Thomas

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I was going to take a hot relaxing bath with the toaster
ROFLMAO!!!!!

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07-08-2008 11:15 PM  9 years agoPost 20
EricW

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I'll remember that one

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