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07-07-2008 05:59 PM  9 years agoPost 1
DKTek

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OK, it's been a very long time coming and still no news. Has anyone got a clue what's going on with this device? It sounds like a cool addition for a camera mount. Is it still being developed or has Spartan abandoned this product? Someone, throw us a bone....

Tired of waiting

The beatings will continue until morale improves...

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07-07-2008 09:27 PM  9 years agoPost 2
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yea, they've pretty much left us in the dark with the INS-1 and the Ap2000i inertial sensor... they could release them tomorrow, or they may never release them... until/unless something happens, this mystery will remain to be right up there next to the age old question of how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop....

the world may never know.

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07-07-2008 09:30 PM  9 years agoPost 3
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It's three.

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07-08-2008 12:53 AM  9 years agoPost 4
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^ Man, I thought I was the only one that would know the answer to that toostie pop question! Flap, its good to know that I am in good company and people know now that we were born before the the 70's!

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07-08-2008 01:00 AM  9 years agoPost 5
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My Mom told me

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07-08-2008 02:34 AM  9 years agoPost 6
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more correctly quoted... Mr Owl how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop. I don't know let's find out...(grabs tootsie pop from kid reporter) One, Twohoo, Three, (crunch) Three (movie announcer voice) how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop (crunch) the world may never know.

build what you can't afford to buy

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07-09-2008 12:49 AM  9 years agoPost 7
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I got this reply at beginning of april:

We are currently very busy trying to catch up with the high demand for our ds760 gyro. We will complete and launch the INS-1 when time allows but I am afraid I am not sure when. The INS-1 is more than a gyro. It uses two accelerometers too to track gravity and lock the camera tilt and roll on a specific angle (wherever the camera man leaves it). Price is expected to be at the same range as our ds760 gyro.

My personal conclusion was: Don't wait.

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07-09-2008 02:17 AM  9 years agoPost 8
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Although I'm sure the INS-1 will be a great product, too bad the INS-1 is not the inertial sensor that the spartan-rc website refers to on the AP2000i page.

and for the record....

the number of licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop is still not known.

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07-09-2008 04:16 PM  9 years agoPost 9
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To take the Vision Lock product off the market without a replacement before the new version is released is just plain bad business. As part of a business plan, you won't increase revenues by decreasing your product line!

To me, it seems Spartan has taken a vacation for the last year or so. All of the "Coming Soon" captions on their website are very disappointing. So much, I use to own 4 AP2000I units. Now I own and 2 Helicommands 3A and one AP2000i.

If it weren't for Mark Webber providing such excellent customer service, I don't think you'd see nearly as many AP2000i systems.

From what I see, Spartan is on the decline unless they step it up!

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07-09-2008 05:18 PM  9 years agoPost 10
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To me, it seems Spartan has taken a vacation for the last year or so.
I'm not sure it'll mean much but nothing could be further from the truth. I've talked with Angelos a number of times about these very questions. While it would not be cool for me to repeat what he's said w/o his permission, I can say that they are very aware of our wants/needs.

Mark Webber
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07-09-2008 07:33 PM  9 years agoPost 11
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I can say that they are very aware of our wants/needs.
When I first got my AP2000i he answered everything I asked him. And then I asked about the inertial sensor. And the correspondences mysteriously stopped, but after enough PMs, he finally said that things were temporarily on hold until the gyro was released. I guess we were talking about two different DS760s, because he informed me that once the DS760 hit the shelves, work on the oter projects would resume. guess not.

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07-09-2008 08:03 PM  9 years agoPost 12
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I would expect the Spartan RC team consists of a few very talented but overwhelmed people. We can only hope and wait for more of their highly anticipated products and accomplishments to trickle out.

Mark

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07-09-2008 08:17 PM  9 years agoPost 13
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While they were working on the ds760 sure they may have been overwhelmed... but that's no excuse for poor business practices. The 760's also already hit the shelves. Simply put, if you don't want to live up to the promises/announcements you make, then don't make them in the first place. It only damages your reputation. Case in point. As for the inertial sensor, that was highly talked about 2 years ago... now look at where we are with that whole prospect...

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07-09-2008 08:24 PM  9 years agoPost 14
DKTek

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While it would not be cool for me to repeat what he's said w/o his permission
Seems this is a prudent time to do so.
I can say that they are very aware of our wants/needs.
Let them prove that. Inform Angelos or better yet, have him respond.

Personally, I've been waiting far too long. I'm not prepared to waite another year for the "coming soon" to materialize. Skids is right, taking the old model away wasn't a good idea because it was something that worked pretty good compared to nothing that the "coming soon" falsely promises. Makes one judge their buisness merrits and wonder if this is a farce.

The beatings will continue until morale improves...

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07-10-2008 12:15 AM  9 years agoPost 15
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Last year Spartan RC was my hobby; I could do as much or as little work as I wanted and I didn't care whether we sold 1 item or 100 items a month. Twelve months on we now have staff to pay, premises to rent, bills, business rates, you name it. This growth has come from the success of the ds760 and it can only be sustained from production and sales of the ds760. Although my personal interests are still in aerial photography I am afraid our AP projects have to wait until we can find some skilled staff to take over some of 80+ hours a week. Taken a vacation? I wish!

-Angelos

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07-10-2008 12:40 AM  9 years agoPost 16
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Angelos, all we are looking for at this point is simply keeping us in the loop regarding products like the INS-1 and the inertial sensor for the AP2000i. If no work is being done because of one reason or another, simply let us know. Letting us know what goes on on your end once every month or two makes a whole world of difference. We can understand if you're busy, but if little/nothing is said, people speculate and start making assumptions. Then Spartan's name becomes tarnished. And that's the last thing we want, especially considering the quality of the products you produce.

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07-10-2008 02:34 AM  9 years agoPost 17
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come on guys, give Spartan a break. Small business, probably was excited as we are about the development of a new product and things didn't come about as soon as expected, for his reasons cited. Tell the members of this forum about a new, cutting edge product, before it's actaully ready for delivery, is probably not a good idea. Lesson learned, that happens with small business'. I don't see anything underhanded or dishonest in that...more than can be said for many business's we deal with.
There aren't many business' that have a flawless record with how they deal with customers, mine included. The differnce is, I don't have participate on a forum with them.

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07-10-2008 03:50 AM  9 years agoPost 18
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FLAP

Spartan has promised an inertial sensor for the 2000i, as well as the INS-1. Sure it's a small business. But if there are delays, they owe it to the customers to let them know what the delays are, and if possible, a rough estimate of how long the delay is. Seriously, how hard is it to post something like this?

"We apologize, but due to the high demand of the DS760, work on the INS-1 gyro and the inertial stabilizer will be delayed for several months (or for an undetermined amount of time)."

Takes 2 minutes to keep the customers informed. It shows the customer that the manufacturer/vendor truly cares. Making good products doesn't always make a company "good"... Sometimes it's the little things.... Mind you, there's been talk of an inertial sensor for the AP2000i for what... 2 years now?

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07-10-2008 04:44 AM  9 years agoPost 19
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The mistake made was saying anything at all. If I were running a similar business, I would not say anything until the product was ready to go out the door.
I don't think any business of this size has an obligation to give up to the minute status on products. You don't see the CEO of Porsche giving updates on the Porsche forums...they are absolutely silent. There is probably a good reason for that.

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07-10-2008 05:52 AM  9 years agoPost 20
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The mistake made was saying anything at all.
Sooooo you're saying that to fix the mistake, don't say anything and pretend as if nothing ever happened...

If you were running a similar business and said something that you weren't able to live up to, would you just leave people in the dark?

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