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07-07-2008 03:23 PM  9 years agoPost 1
Gidusko

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Jacksonville, Florida

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Hey all,

Just wanted to say my vibe is a real fat girl, my finished weight came to 7lb 14oz or 3514gms this is 10z more than my trusty rappy which weighs in at 7lb 4oz. What are all of yours weighing? I hope the climb performance will not be much worse than my Raptor. I have to say i have high expectations for this heli it better not let me down. I will maiden it today so crossed fingers!

vibe50
radix 600std
radix 95 tail
tt53 mp5
3 ds8717
gforce plate hs61 throt servo
solid-g 8900g
cy atg v3
futaba 6014 2.4gz
evo light 2100
align 2 in 1

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07-07-2008 03:27 PM  9 years agoPost 2
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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Where did you find a 7 pound Raptor? Did you drill holes in the boom or something?

You fly out at jaxrc? I dont remember seeing another Vibe 50

Andy
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http://www.jaxrc.com

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07-07-2008 03:50 PM  9 years agoPost 3
DS 8717

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Even at 8 pounds the vibe will outfly the raptor by a huge margin.

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07-07-2008 04:03 PM  9 years agoPost 4
BarracudaHockey

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I reckon that depends on who is flying the Vibe, and who is flying the Raptor

Andy
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07-07-2008 04:20 PM  9 years agoPost 5
Mike Fortin

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7lb Raptors only exist without a motor.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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07-07-2008 04:49 PM  9 years agoPost 6
DS 8717

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I reckon that depends on who is flying the Vibe, and who is flying the Raptor
It will fly the same for either party.

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07-07-2008 05:46 PM  9 years agoPost 7
Gidusko

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Jacksonville, Florida

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I have been out to the power plant once, infact i met you the day i was there. I usually fly out at Herlong or at a buddys place off 118th st near Hobby World.

I have just weighed both on the same postal scale five mins ago. The Raptor weighed 7lb 5oz and the vibe weighed 7lb 15 oz. regardless what you think about what they should weigh, the vibe is 10oz heavyer.

I dont really care too much i just hope she flys well... of course if i could shave just a bit of wieght it would be nice.

Raptor titan, metal head block and tail yoke and fan.
os 50hyper tt muffler
MS Composit 600
MS Composit 95
4 futaba 3050
futaba 401 9254
Revmax
align 1900 lipo
align 6a BEC
remote glow

I am trying to upload pics of it now.

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07-07-2008 06:00 PM  9 years agoPost 8
RCHeliJim

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Orem, UT USA

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Much of that 10 oz difference would be negated if you put 8717s, the 8900, Align 2in1, ATG, and the Solid G into the Raptor as you have in the Vibe. Those all weigh quite a bot more than the 3050s, 401/9254, Revmax, and 6amp regulator you have in the Raptor....

I think you will like how the Vibe flies regardless of its weight



Go Fly, Have Fun!!
-Team Quick UK

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07-07-2008 06:10 PM  9 years agoPost 9
Mike Fortin

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A true comparison would be one that had both machines using identical equipment.

Ultimetly I think you will find that both machines are pretty close in weight when utilizing the same exact equipment. The only real difference will come down to flying charecteristics and what you as a pilot prefer.

I have seen Raptor 50's do everything a Vibe 50 can do so it's really in the eye of the beholder.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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07-07-2008 06:15 PM  9 years agoPost 10
BarracudaHockey

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Jacksonville FL

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Oh yea, ok I remember.

Don't worry about the weight, it flys light.

Andy
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http://www.jaxrc.com

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07-09-2008 02:27 AM  9 years agoPost 11
dhc8guru

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Fort Worth, Texas

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mine weighs a shade under 8 lbs. I don't know really anything I can do to take the weight off. I don't know what I would do if it was any lighter, it flips and tosses around fast enough for my feeble thumbs.

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07-09-2008 02:44 AM  9 years agoPost 12
tchavei

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Portugal

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There is always SOME way to make it lighter.

You can save 100gr (3oz) just in the tail section, a few oz at front (throttle servo for ex, servo tail linkage in carbon) and other stuff

By my calculations, you can bring the heli down to around 3350gr.

However, I did those mods so I could put extra useless stuff in it and it would still be able to lift from the ground

My setup:

3 x 9351 (metal case)
2 x 3155 (throttle and AMC)
1 x MGP
1 x 6014 FASST (could save extra 10gr by moving to 617)
1 x TP 2100mAh Lipo (98gr)
1 x perfect regulator (37.7gr)
1 x BLS251
1 x Switchglo
1 x Eagltree Logger
1 x logger rpm sensor
1 x logger temp sensor
1 x DS760 (with metal plate)
1 x 600SB
1 x V paddles
1 x quickUK tail clamp
2 x carbon tail boom supports
1 x full carbon control linkage (from back to front)
1 x G-force weighted tail rotor
1 x g-force metal mixing arms
1 x g-force micro servo adpater plate
1 z g-force head button
1 x custom painted canopy

Total weight.... 3596gr

Believe it or not.

Tony


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07-09-2008 02:55 AM  9 years agoPost 13
Mike Fortin

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USA

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Vibe 50's

Vibe 50 #1
3 x 8717
1 x HS81
1 x 8900g
CSM SL720
CSM Revlock 30
KP 2000mah Sq pack
AR7000
SwitchGlo
600 SB's
Align 15g Paddles
Carbon boom supports
No horizontal fin

#2

Same as above w/o flybar
Carbon Frames
Kasama Grips
Kasama Spindle

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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07-09-2008 03:39 AM  9 years agoPost 14
PBusch

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Minnesota

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There's a lot of screws you could replace with aluminum, landing gear, radio tray and maybe even the frame spacers. I don't know if it would be worth it or even a good idea but when I build my second kit I took out all the screws to soak them in alcohol and couldn't believe how much they weighed.

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07-09-2008 03:57 AM  9 years agoPost 15
audio131

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attleboro , mass , usa

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hi

does not matter how much the vibe 50 ends up weighting, because it very light in flight or at least mine does this heli weighted more than my 600n with the same electronics(8717's 770,8900g,fromeco reg,1900 lipo,) but is more nimble and faster and more precise than my 600n

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07-09-2008 04:03 AM  9 years agoPost 16
Mike Fortin

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I wouldn't go aluminum on any screws.

It's always nice to save a little weight but after flying the machine in it's stock form it flys extremely well.

Now that I have a feel for the machine in it's stock form there may be a few things to do to save weight but again, I don't think it's needed.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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07-09-2008 09:09 AM  9 years agoPost 17
tchavei

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Portugal

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600N spacers (each) 3gr.
vibe50 spacers (each) 0.3gr

how do you think you could lighten up 0.3gr?

Tony


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07-09-2008 10:35 AM  9 years agoPost 18
Paul Woodcock

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Dubai - United Arab Emirates

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Hi guys

I read all the 'this heli flys great at its weight etc, etc' but for my 'fatty' to go on a diet would make it fly much better.
my Sceadu Evo 50 is 3566g

My friends TRex600 weighs 3510g. It has:
- OS50
- Align pipe
- Radix600
- Align tail blades
- 4 x Futaba 9451
- Futaba 611 + 9256
- Duralite 2400 bat ??? 2200 ??? not sure
- Duralite reg
- Spektrum 7000 rx
- Align gov

My Vibe is 3686g. It has:
- YS 50
- Hatori 521
- Radix 600
- Radix 95
- FP 2100 battery
- Spartan 760....with metal plate
- JR 9800
- Spektrum 9000 Rx
- Multi gov pro
and
- Duralite reg
- 4 x JR 8717's,

I realise the reg is not required, but i don't really want to run the 8717's at 8 v.

The throttle will be changed to a micro servo soon....

I will get some carbon rods and make up some boom supports.

This will only account for about 50g tops....

What else could i change ?

Regards
Paul

PS: My Sceadu Evo 50 (swm) weighs 3566g it has:
- OS 50
- Hatori 521
- Radix 600
- MAH 90
- 3 x Futaba 9255
- 1 x Futaba 9252
- Futaba 401 + 9254
- Spektrum 7000
- FP 2100 bat
- Dutalite reg
- TJ Pro
- Freya tail hub
- Metal head

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07-09-2008 10:44 AM  9 years agoPost 19
tchavei

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Portugal

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Get rid of the horizontal fin and replace with quickuk clamp (-28gr)
Replace boom supports with carbon ones (0.5mm wall thickness) (-32gr)
Replace vertical tail fin with the 600N one (-14gr)
Replace throttle servo with mini (-28gr) or with micro (-40gr)
Replace 600 radix with SB version (-30gr)
Replace 95mm radix with 85mm (KoK, SAB) (-2gr)
Replace tail linkage (only back) with carbon (-16gr)
Replace tail linkage (front) with carbon (-8gr)
Try the Spartan without the metal plate (-16gr)
Replace the 6014 with a 617 (-10gr)
Total saving: 196gr (6.91 oz)

I would also weight the duralite reg... if over 40gr, replace with smartfly (32gr 8amps) or perfect regulator (10 amp, 37.7gr wires included)

If you're still not happy, move the spartan on top of the elevator servo and remove gyro support all toghether (-19gr)

Tony


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07-09-2008 11:43 AM  9 years agoPost 20
Paul Woodcock

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Dubai - United Arab Emirates

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Hi tchavei

Thanks....for the f@#$%g hard work you have just lined up for me.....Just kidding.

I am very happy with my Vibe 50. I just think a good thing could be better!!!

The boom supports, boom clamp, horizontal fin and throttle servo will be the first on my list. That will be about 100g. for very little work/cost.

To use a TRex vertical fin is like putting a TT Redline 53 motor on the Vibe, it just won't happen!!! I would rather do some liposuction (with my Dremel) on the std fin.....

What do you use for the rear carbon tail pushrod? a 2mm solid rod with the std supports or a 5mm tube with no supports?
I used to use 2mm solid rods on my Hirobo EX2's. They would ware very quickly and get 'thin' where they run through the supports. I also crashed one because the 2mm 'glued on' steel threaded coupler broke.......sound familier.....?

Thanks for the great info.

Regards
Paul

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