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07-08-2008 04:38 PM  9 years agoPost 21
UH-60PILOT

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Huh? In these pictures, there are a couple of parts that look a LOT like Beam parts. The washout arms look identical, other parts look like they were styled by the same guy that designed the Beam.
Yeah, I think you are right, MA must have copied those revolutionary new washout arms. Surely those washout arms were the very thing that made the Beam so much better than any other 450 on the market. MA must have known that with all of the innovations they had designed into the Furion (to include a completely different head than anything I've ever seen) that it just wouldn't work without those mystical, magical washout arms on the Beam. Good eye for detail. I would have never looked at something like that. Have you had a good look at the main shaft yet? I wonder if they copied that too? Thanks for letting us know that the washout arms are copied and please let us know if you detect anything else that might be copied.

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07-08-2008 04:44 PM  9 years agoPost 22
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Hey guys, I think I found another copied part on the Furion. If you look at the flybar control cage it looks just like the one on the Beam except for the way they slanted the arms downward. Surely this has no functionality and was done to mask or decoy us from seeing that it was copied. Those MA guys sure are sneaky and clever.

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07-08-2008 04:45 PM  9 years agoPost 23
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^^^

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07-08-2008 04:49 PM  9 years agoPost 24
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I keep going back and looking and it is starting to really hit me as to how many parts were copied on this thing. I think they copied the links and for sure the flybar and I think they even went as far as to copy the screws and other hardware but I can't be 100% sure from the pictures. I'll keep scrutinizing and let you guys know what I find.

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07-08-2008 05:47 PM  9 years agoPost 25
laddy

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They are even using main blades like a Beam has and like a TRex has.
They use the same battery too.
If you look a the Rave i bet you will see the same parts to.
You should really buy one and build it before you say they copied them and it uses the same parts.

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07-08-2008 06:27 PM  9 years agoPost 26
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Wait, I see something else they copied. If you look really close, you will notice that the ball links are the same... THEY ARE ROUND!!! Will these bastages ever stop copying other helies?!?!?!? I think they should have made them square just to be different. Pretty much all of the current design helies are copies of each other.

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07-08-2008 06:40 PM  9 years agoPost 27
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OK guys, I have gone over all the pictures and here's what I found that is not copied:

The head, tail servo mount, tail rotor, swash servo mount, swash plate, skids, side frames, canopy, fly bar paddles, Fly bar control mechanism and all carbon fiber parts. these parts are so different than any others I've ever seen so they must have done this to attract our attention from the copied parts. Additionally, the Furion doesn't come with blades so they got out of having to copy them. When you really start to analyze what they are doing here you can start to understand the genius behind their copying technique. They may have been doing it all along on all of their other birds and we never knew it until now. I think it's because the machine is so small and requires us to be so close to see it that we are starting to realize what has been going on in this company for the last 20+ years. If it was a snake we all would have been bit multiple times. These MA guys are really, really sneaky! But it doesn't end here! See the parts we know they copied below.

Here are the suspected copied parts:

Washout arms (they didn't even try to mask this one so they obviously thought we would home in on that swash plate and not pay attention to the washout arms), Main shaft (I think they may have changed the length or the position of the holes to make it look different but don't be fooled because it is a copy), Flybar (it may have a little bit different tint on it to make it look uncopied), Tail rotor shaft (I can't confirm this one because of all the parts on the shaft but they know this can't be seen unless you take it apart so it must be a copy), All hardware and bearings (I think this was easy for them to do because we just wouldn't suspect such a sneaky move right under our noses and they probably were so bold that they even used the same parts producers so they are not even copies! MA just used the OEM parts and that's even worse than copying!), Tail boom supports (once again I think they changed the length to throw us off the scent).

If any of you guys suspect or confirm that there are any more of the parts on this machine that are copied from the Beam or any other machines please let us know. I'm outraged and appauled but I would rather know than go through life flying a copy and have no idea!

Kenny Thompson

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07-08-2008 06:57 PM  9 years agoPost 28
Eyefly

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UH-60,

You forgot the vertical fin. The Beam has one too. Will the sneaking ever end!!!! They should have put the horizontal one at the end and the vertical at the middle just to be different... Or better yet, how about two diagonal ones crossing 3/4 of the way out from the root of the boom...

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07-08-2008 07:00 PM  9 years agoPost 29
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It looks like both Beam and MA copied the belt drive design from the Esky HBK2.

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07-08-2008 07:10 PM  9 years agoPost 30
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Hey Kenny,

Haha, you're a real funny guy. You missed my point entirely. I'm not anti-MA in any way, shape, or form. My point was they were going to be the distributor for the Beam in the US, but the deal fell through for some reason. I thought (my own guess) was that there was a falling out/disagreement of some sort. But, after looking at these pictures, it's apparent that they're making parts for the Furion and that they (MA and the Beam people) are working together.

It does, however, seem strange that they would go through the entire process of designing their own new baby and yet use an off the shelf Beam part. Ball links, washout links, plastic parts are understandable, but a machined part can be changed with less cost involved. Early prototype parts and the pics in the other thread here look different...washout arms look different and, in my opinion, more aesthetically pleasing.

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07-08-2008 07:16 PM  9 years agoPost 31
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there is not a single part on the heli that is a beam part. as to the similarities.... i think there are enough people who jumped down ur throat on that for me to have to comment, haha.

its all min-air though.

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07-08-2008 07:19 PM  9 years agoPost 32
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Laddy,

Sure, I will buy one when they are available. Do us all a favor and let's get over this crap about who copied who because that was not my point at all. A helicopter is always going to look like a helicopter and there are actually very few true innovations these days, most improvements are refinements. Previous sentence is merely my opinion.

I do have a practical reason why I don't care for those particular washout arms, but it's just my opinion from an experience.

So when are kits going up for sale?

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07-08-2008 07:39 PM  9 years agoPost 33
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Gregor99,

You are right, they did copy the belt drive and the belt too! Once again they tried to mask what they copied by making the drive pulley out of delrin instead of aluminum and they positioned it so that it was on the same side of the side frame as the main gear. Once again, pretty sneaky!

ScotY,

Chill dude! I never made any reference to your name but I couldn't resist. You gotta admit what I wrote was pretty funny though. As far as MA and Beam sharing parts in their kits I can tell you this is not the case. I am friends with both manufacturers and yes, they did have a falling out in the contract negotiations. After the contract fell through Tim decided to produce his own 450. Sorry if you though I was riding you too hard but I thought it was funny. Good luck with your Furion when you get one. I know you will love it.

Kenny Thompson

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07-08-2008 07:50 PM  9 years agoPost 34
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Man after owning a Beam I hope that the parts arent that much similar. Usually you can bet on MA stuff being made tough and presise.

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07-08-2008 08:00 PM  9 years agoPost 35
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Yeh guys. I dont think there was intention to poke fun or discredit anyone. I figure its just a bit of humor. Perhaps sometimes thats difficult to see when written on a forum. I got a kick form it anyways...

If some of these parts are copies, than so be it. If you see a good design, why try to improve it? Honestly, I think all of these new 450 size helies are copies of the trex 450 which was a copy of the raptor and evo. There are only so many ways to cook a goose.

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07-08-2008 08:04 PM  9 years agoPost 36
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You are right, they did copy the belt drive and the belt too!
All kidding aside, I like the design. No need for two main gears and total gear to gear mesh count is cut in half. Smoother and quieter.

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07-09-2008 12:52 AM  9 years agoPost 37
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Hey I am not defending MA at all but gotta say I don't care who copied who and what they copied.... In the end regardless of brand all I want is a good flying heli.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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07-09-2008 01:10 AM  9 years agoPost 38
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What the he11 happened to the Bandit? Did it never make it out?

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07-09-2008 01:12 AM  9 years agoPost 39
Carey Shurley

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unexpected trademark issues with using that name.

So its now known as the furion

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07-09-2008 01:45 AM  9 years agoPost 40
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Whats the ETA of the new 450?

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