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12-14-2008 04:30 PM  8 years agoPost 541
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My mother smoked for years....she quit and been off smoking for 18 years ......at 70 yo she developed lung cancer and had 1/3 of her right lung remover.....18 years later. She is now free of cancer for 4 years now.if someone wants to outlaw a substance......this is one I could get behind. But I believe in freedom of choice and nobody should be able to tell somebody else what they can consume or ingest. If you are an adult you should be able to chose you poison. Just suffer the consequences of you r choice. People Who smoke developed cancer then sue the cigarette companies are morons...they made the choice...deal with it. I feel the same way about pot ....make your choice and live with the decision you made.
Heroin should be made available for terminal patients.....it the best pain control medicine ever discovered.....But they outlaw it because they will become addicted to it.....a terminal patient that's addicted to pain meds....if ever there was someone who could benefit from this drug, someone dieing from a cancer is it.

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12-15-2008 12:28 AM  8 years agoPost 542
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till you have actually meet me.
Well your 40 years of pot smoking must have done something to your brain as that sentence should be

till you have actually met me. not meet me I could care less if you guys want to smoke it or not just dont bring it around me or my property or our flying field. I do not want people who know they are breaking the law on my property or around me I will not lose my property due to the laws on drugs being what they are here and lost my things due to someone who wants to be a pot head. Dont care wheather pot wont hurt you or not it is not legal I dont believe in breaking the law.

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12-15-2008 01:07 AM  8 years agoPost 543
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Mutt are you serious ? so you are more concerned about upholding laws generated by politically baiassed ignormeouses rather than believing in yourself and real honest truths ? Tut tut. Beware that the law creators are soley interested in their own ends and rarely have the interests of the populus at their heart. I feel sorry for the individuals responsible for upholding the law at an absolute level given they themselfes are normal human beings with a real humanatarian comprehensions but in denial of the real issues.

Vegetable rights and Peace

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12-15-2008 01:21 AM  8 years agoPost 544
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Yug Like I said I dont care what a person does I dont smoke the crap nor will I ever I think its wrong and disagree with a lot of people here on both sides of the issue. As for upholding the laws yes I do!! Here where I live if illegal drugs are found on your property even if they are not yours the property owner can lose thier property. So am I gonna uphold them laws damn right I am. I am not about to lose a 1.7 mill piece of property because someone wants to be a pothead. A person I know brought a joint to my house and was gonna smoke it while we were flying. I kicked him off my place and have forbid him to ever return or to call my house. It is called respect. My rules my property dont like them dont come over. Just the same as your place if you want to smoke dope thats fine I have no say so on what you do at your place but you wont find me over there either. Even if they make pot legal I wont allow it on my propertys or near me I disaprove of it which is my right.

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12-15-2008 01:56 AM  8 years agoPost 545
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You really must read the post again .....I am talking about LEGAL POT.....why do you cloud the issues with personal attacks? A miss typed word is not cause to eradicate pot......get off your high house...is that all you got? Good lord......laws are changing....If you feel so strong about keeping the laws in affect now you better get off you butt and get active politically to keep the laws...because WE ARE CHANGING THEM.

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12-15-2008 02:07 AM  8 years agoPost 546
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A person I know brought a joint to my house and was gonna smoke it while we were flying. I kicked him off my place and have forbid him to ever return or to call my house. It is called respect. My rules my property don't like them don't come over. Just the same as your place if you want to smoke dope that's fine I have no say so on what you do at your place but you wont find me over there either. Even if they make pot legal I wont allow it on my propertys or near me I disapprove of it which is my right.
Do you let people drink at your house or do you really up hold a higher standard? Or Are just a prejusticed moron that is simple minded.....I supposed if they had a prescription for pot you would kick him off your property too?
BTW you should use a spell checker.... there are spelling errors in your own statement.......Its spelled properties.....Geezz what an A$$

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12-15-2008 02:21 AM  8 years agoPost 547
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The only ass I see is you. Do I allow alcohol NO I dont. I do not drink nor do I allow it. Go smoke some more dope and show everyone just how much more of a ass you are.

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12-15-2008 03:04 AM  8 years agoPost 548
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Close your mind and it shrinks......you picked the spelling issue and you cant spell and that's your response........I just beat you at in a battle of wits because your unarmed. This is supposed to be a lively debate on the issues at hand and you turned it in to a personal attack......which btw is one of the 7 falsies you can use to try to turn a debate in your favor when you dont have facts to support your position. Classic.

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12-15-2008 05:35 AM  8 years agoPost 549
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you can be a stoner too

Mutt,, I think he is trying to pull you over to his side,, nice guy, just the kind of guy you want married to your sister or daughter

Jim
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12-15-2008 05:52 AM  8 years agoPost 550
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Do you have anything of value to add to this forum or are you just here to bash pot smokers? And trying to belittle me?????Didnt you read the last post ? You clearly have nothing to add here in this forum and such bashing on a regular basis with out real debate just makes you a troll........Enjoy your new title.

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12-15-2008 05:59 AM  8 years agoPost 551
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Mutt,, I think he is trying to pull you over to his side,, nice guy, just the kind of guy you want married to your sister or daughter
Man this guy is bringing your sister and daughter into this conversation????? How dare you .... insult his sister and daughter by dragging them into this conversation....lets have a little respect....You can talk about me all you want but leave the ladies out of this.......I apologize for this mans insolence.

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12-15-2008 06:15 AM  8 years agoPost 552
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WASP
You were clearly educated by the movie Refer Madness on issues concerning pot and have no concern for its LEGAL use....if you can, wrap your mind around the fact that its medicine and legally prescribed By Doctors. Who are much more educated on the facts than you....forget what you learned in school when they showed you the anti drug movies and brain washed you. Could you possibly think for yourself and quit spewing the drivel that you are because none of it make sense......Now I know you don't have any thing of value to add to this conversation so I will just sit here and wait for the personal attack.....as that has been the only thing you have done in 5 post.....

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12-15-2008 06:20 AM  8 years agoPost 553
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BTW I am not trying to get you or anybody else to use pot for any reason.....it their choice....let them decide. How can you argue with that????

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12-15-2008 06:28 AM  8 years agoPost 554
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Hey electriciacarl

Maybe you can do a search yourself, please don't suggest that I am making such statements without informed basis.

try: pot + marijuana + pesticide + forest

Here is what you get

http://malibusurfsidenews.com/blog/...t-in-major.html

Right in our back yard, in the Santa Monica mountains.

and another:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n286/a02.html

And there are plenty more, it is a real problem. The folks growing the dope are not a bunch of peace loving deadheads. Just add the word booby trap to the search. To a large extent, these are armed and dangerous cartels who are running the farms on federal land.

So there is your link. I simply stated a fact, that illegal pesticides and herbicides are being used, so the argument of no chemicals is not particularly correct. And the problem is not just in California either.

Unless you know the guy who grew your pot, it likely came from one of these large operations.

""First, please post links to your sources or your contribution must be discounted as opinion. Second, that, if accurate, represents a very small segment of the marijuana sold in the US by any measure.""

Carl, who exactly then is growing these mass quantities of dope?

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12-15-2008 06:37 AM  8 years agoPost 555
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artimus,, you haven't got it yet, so here is something to think about, part of my problem with you is you are promoting the product, and that's wrong,, what if a 16 y.o.,, what if a 12 y.o. reads all your crap and he/she went out and started smoking it because of you, and what if he/she gets hurt doing so, or what if they get arrested,,

OH,,, I know I know,,,, that's a slim chance you will say,, not it all, there are many under aged kids that read RR, and how did your mom get started,, did she just wake-up one morning and say "today is the first day of the rest of my life, I think I will start smoking pot today",, no,, because most people start smoking it because someone gets them started one way or the other,,

like Mutt I have kids and I don't want them around anyone like YOU and I don't want them reading your garbage,,,

on 2nd thought I would want any kid even your own kid around you or reading your garbage,,

you want to smoke it then smoke it in your own room/house whatever, but promoting the product on the net is wrong, it may be free speech as I'm quite sure you will boast, because your a boaster and you are proud to smoke it you have proven that, but it shows NO scruples, NO morals,,, your an idiot through and through !! ,, again, get clean for a while and come back and read what crap your spooling,,

by the way,,,,,,,,, YOU spelled "didnt" wrong,, you must be stoned, I'm sure !!

Jim
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12-15-2008 06:41 AM  8 years agoPost 556
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I know I know YOU don't think the net is that much of and influence,,, wrong again,, well let me tell you that I have see Hate Clubs rise on MySpace to the point that they were talking about killing a child,, and it was me that got the cops to close it down !!!!

Jim
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12-15-2008 07:16 AM  8 years agoPost 557
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""You clearly have nothing to add ""

well read these,,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase,_Maryland_rail_wreck

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...752C0A961948260

and here is a Road Train accident do to the WEED
https://cannabis.community.forums.o...00&#entry159700

Jim
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12-15-2008 07:17 AM  8 years agoPost 558
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Pot Farms Invade National Parks
Pesticides used by the illegal growers poison wildlife and waterways, ... months after they located the 23000-plant pot farm in the San Bernardino Forest, ...
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00/n286/a02.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages -
Illegal marijuana growing pollutes U.S. national parks - CNN.com
Story Highlights; Use of heavy chemical on illegal marijuana crops damages U.S. national park; Efforts to eradicate marijuana farms don't go towards ...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/ameri...t.ap/index.html - 87k - Cached - Similar pages -
USATODAY.com - Pot farms in national forests a growing problem
The discovery of a pot farm north of Strawberry on the southernmost part of ... farmers use pesticides and other chemicals harmful to forest vegetation. ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...t-forests_x.htm - 52k - Cached - Similar pages -
Illegal marijuana growing pollutes U.S. national park
Oct 13, 2008 ... "I’ve seen the pesticide residue on the plants," Foy said. "You ain’t just smoking pot, bud. You’re smoking some heavy-duty pesticides from ...
http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/article.php?sid=860 - 27k - Cached - Similar pages -
Raid in Los Padres Uproots Pot Farms - Los Angeles Times
Law enforcement officers literally descended on two pot farms in northern Ventura County early Monday as part of an annual crackdown on illegal harvests..
articles.latimes.com/2004/aug/03/local/me-vnpot3 - 35k - Cached - Similar pages -
Endosulfan moves closer to global ban; Tell EPA stand firm on ...
Oct 23, 2008 ... Pot pesticides poisoning U.S. forests. The U.S. Forest Service (USFS) ... and forests to hide thousands of illegal pot farms -- in Kentucky, ...
http://www.panna.org/resources/panups/panup_20081023 - 40k - Cached - Similar pages -
Mexican marijuana cartels use pesticides, herbicides that pollute ...
(Map, News) - Farms and orchards that continue to use three pesticides that kill salmon will have to .... forest - trees - nature - environment - india ...
article.wn.com/view/2008/10/11/Mexican_marijuana_cartels_use_pesticides_herbicides_that_pol/ - 137k - Cached - Similar pages -

do you need more?

Are you sure your pot comes from "legitimate" sources?

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12-15-2008 07:30 AM  8 years agoPost 559
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edited,,,

I'm passionate about this because I saw what it did to my brother, my family and friends, my brother was an artist, we wanted to go to school to be an architect,, my brothers death changed my parents for life, my father blamed himself till his death and my mother put up a wall between here and everyone,, and as I said one of the guys that was in the car/accodint with my brother has gone insane blaming himself

Jim
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12-15-2008 08:02 AM  8 years agoPost 560
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Did you read my post You idiot? I don't Advocate the use of any illegal Drugs to you or any body....DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? Only an Idiot would continue to spout off about something we aren't even talking about......and further by putting words in my mouth. You sound like the the type that will lock your kid in a closet so they don't see the real world around them and don't become a functioning adult because of it...... I will promote the Safe and Legal use of any prescribed medication to any body that wants to make that choice for them selves....I don't care if your kid , sister brother or you for that matter choose not to use any legal drug available to you . That is your Choice.But don't you dare interfere with my right to use a legal Drug and to advocate its legal use.Like I said before If you don't like the laws get off your ass and change the laws to suit your needs......trouble You know it will not happen and you are a dieing breed of ignorant idiots that would rather hide the true facts of pot and it many wonderful uses to manipulate the mind of other people ...just like religion it a form of mind control.
The fact is I have taken a very realistic view of what Pot hat to offer ...pros and cons and for me the benefits far out weight and benefit I would get and quality of life by having to take narcotics instead.....maybe you would rather have me take about 4 or 5 pain pills to get Thu the work day......gee that so much better a choice.....totally in a fog from narcotics......That just doesn't make sense...You seem to think that if you use it for medication its because you want to get high....YOU are so far off and have no idea what I suffer with everyday. Till you get to know me and how I am .... You prove yourself a fool again. Your hole just keeps getting bigger....

Coming back with the same argument again? Try a fresh approach this time come up with a better attack that doesn't put words in my mouth or something that you have dreamed up in your mind as me.

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