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12-13-2008 04:39 AM  9 years agoPost 521
artimus

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That your opinion, and I respect that. But your wrong.
And thats my opnion.

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12-13-2008 04:41 AM  9 years agoPost 522
Stet

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Fair enough, later

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12-13-2008 04:45 AM  9 years agoPost 523
artimus

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Later Bro....still love ya

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12-13-2008 05:13 AM  9 years agoPost 524
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Stet, I respect a lot of your opinions bro, but man you are really WAY off to lump everone that smokes pot into one category....dopes, retards, rage. Come on, man, sure there are those out there, no denying it! But just like some can come home after work and have a glass of wine or two and lead fully respectable lives, there are PLENTY that are the same way with marijuana! Oh and rage? LOL, that's funny...I've never in my life met anyone with rage who is stoned...if anything they are completely laid back and mellow. Alcohol??? of course!

I'm not going to argue the medicinal effects or legality or health hazzards. I'm 41 and have done the research and know it's not a healthy thing. I know there are a ton of people abusing the medical MJ laws just to get their high. But what I will argue and challenge anyone is to name a reason why it should be illegal...that you can't say the same thing about alcohol and tobacco!

I do NOT think people should drive while stoned. I think the same restrictions should be imposed on it like alchohol. A TON of money could be saved if the "war" on pot was stopped. If interested, do a search on Governor Gary Davis of New Mexico...he did studies on it and they showed it should definitely be decriminalized...which he did in NM.

As I've stated before somewhere in this thread...I am a very successful spacecraft engineer...I make over 6 figures, great family, am on the BOD for my community and have no criminal record. And I smoke marijuana daily. I'm not bragging by far, only pointing out that it is not only unfair to lump all of us into the "dope, retard, etc." category, but simply wrong and ignorant. I'm not trying to offend anyone either. Oh and I am by far not a minority in this respect...there are a LOT of successful very intelligent people out there that smoke regularly.

Skarn

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12-13-2008 05:25 AM  9 years agoPost 525
GimbalFan (RIP)

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You're making too much sense, Skarn. That's not gonna go over well with the voluntarily-blind crowd. Now they're gonna want notarized photocopies of your degrees, patents and accomplishments in aerospace and the address of your community's BOD. They're gonna want a detailed record, also notarized, of all your cannabis purchases and consumption for the past 10 years.

Please gather a set of those notarized copies soon so as not to disappoint these poor, deserving saps in their eager quest to pee in the punchbowl.

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12-13-2008 06:19 AM  9 years agoPost 526
Stet

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I understand the arguments, I have been in the circle for even more years than I care to remember.

Yesterday HR came to the lady who sits next to me to tell her she was selected for the random DOT test. That is enough for me. Get popped on one of those and your career is over. As far as how you can avoid that in your 6 figure line, I am glad you can. I am not a proponent of this testing which tags people who smoked 30 days ago, but that is the reality we live in. If you don't like it you can "write your congressman" as if that will make one bit of difference, it won't. Or get a job where you don't get tested. In aerospace or transportation, it doesn't exist at least for me. Maybe you are hiring? The last job I looked at required a full blown background investigation and polygraph. Answer truthfully and interview is over. Lie to the government investigator and commit perjury.

With respect to the rage, it is really borne of paranoia and I have seen it in some but not all. Usually in overstated anger and hatred for Bush, Reagan, Born Agains, meter maids, or anyone they think is a threat to their shallow analysis of politics and reality. In those cases (not the majority) I find their lives stunted and stopped where they left off. They smoke a lot. All day long. For 30 years now, and most of my circle has left them behind (bored with their shallow attitudes and their lack of growing in any visible way). Their families are at risk of breakup and they are chronically unemployed. Some have gone to rehab to get a handle on their lives, which for pot seems ridiculous of course. They are not the majority of users, but the effect can be seen in all daily users to varying extents.

As far as the stunting effects, they can be overcome but they are stunting just the same.

My argument here is only to say that the medical angle is a big political hype which for 99% of those with the card is a fraud. To find excuses for daily drug use irks me. If you like to get high, just say so. I do not believe it to be criminal. In most states it is indeed decriminalized. I am seriously concerned about the use of MJ in adolescents, as I saw first hand the negative effects in my circle which started around '77.

And as far as you Gimbal, take a hike. You are just a jerk who brings no analysis or real debate to the table. Go pick a fight in a bar somewhere, but first down a couple "frosty" full throttle Cuervos (low class tequilla for sure).

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12-13-2008 06:25 AM  9 years agoPost 527
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take a hike. You are just a jerk who brings no analysis or real debate to the table. Go pick a fight in a bar somewhere, but first down a couple "frosty" full throttle Cuervos (low class tequilla for sure).
Oh, the pain. Such a mortal wound. You have slayed me to death for sure.

Stet, over the years you've done a fine, entertaining job of revealing your deluded 'cross section' to all of us here. Thanks again for all the laughs.

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12-13-2008 06:34 AM  9 years agoPost 528
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You are an ahole plain and simple gimbal.

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12-13-2008 06:35 AM  9 years agoPost 529
GimbalFan (RIP)

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You are an ahole plain and simple gimbal.
Wrong again, and plenty agree.

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12-13-2008 06:36 AM  9 years agoPost 530
Stet

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Who here agrees, be heard.

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12-13-2008 07:01 AM  9 years agoPost 531
artimus

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Isnt it great that we live in a time in space that we can all be heard with our views.......but I think this says it best.


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12-13-2008 04:53 PM  9 years agoPost 532
Dennis (RIP)

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Gimbal
Wrong again, and plenty agree.
Wrong

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12-13-2008 11:02 PM  9 years agoPost 533
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Uh, I guess you have not read about the pot farms found on federal land and that many are turning out to be hazmat sites because of the long-banned pesticides used by the criminal organizations operating them?
First, please post links to your sources or your contribution must be discounted as opinion. Second, that, if accurate, represents a very small segment of the marijuana sold in the US by any measure.
And as far as carcinogens, barring treatments by commercial cigarette makers, both tobacco and pot are burning a plant which will invariably give off similar amounts of toxins.
Inaccurate. The sources I have linked have already debunked this.
I have heard the stories-I know people that smoked it-
More foolish and unsubstantiated hearsay.
maybe if someone helped my brother back then, maybe he would be alive today !!!
It would stand to reason your brother died from the same case of terminal stupidity you have displayed in your idiotic posts on this topic.
I tell you what, quit for 3 or 4 years and let your head clear
Again the same ignorant and inaccurate assumptions you spewed previously. Not only an idiot, but a now verified idiot with no ability to learn from your mistakes. I will just make a note to ignore you from this point on as you are obviously too dumb to realize how stupid you are.

Stet.
You have failed to post a single link to anything that supports your position, therefor I will have to discount it as opinion without merit. Should you post something of substance with links to studies that support it, I will then gladly take that into consideration.

My position still stands irrefuted, the amount of resources expended on marijuana is simply not justifiable in light of the minimal detrimental effects it poses to society. There are far more pressing issues on which we should be expending those wasted resources. It is nothing short of absolutly foolish to waste law enforcement funding and manpower on this issue when we have unsolved murders, unsolved rapes, unsolved home invasions, missing children, many problems related to truly dangerous drugs, and a multitude of other serious crimes needing the attention of our police. Every time someone is the victim of a serious crime and there was no law enforcement there to help, the thought of a police officer being too busy arresting someone for smoking pot to address the real problem should be infuriating to all of us. It is a simple matter of priorities.
there are a LOT of successful very intelligent people out there that smoke regularly.
One of my favorite examples is Carl Sagan.

And one has to wonder, if pot is so terrible a problem and so destructive to a persons mind, how did Barack Obama, an admitted pot smoker, get elected to be the President of the United States?

It is simply not dangerous enough nor important enough as to justify the disproportionate amount of resources expended on it. If you wish to argue the point, then please show me the comparison of deaths directly related to tobacco and alcohol as opposed to marijuana, then a comparison of deaths indirectly related to tobacco and alcohol as opposed to marijuana. If you can come up with a logical argument for tobacco and alcohol being legal and marijuana being illegal, including justification for the expense of maintaining the illegal status of marijuana and the crimes associated with that status, then please, lay it out for me.

Truly it should be a matter of common sense. Use the available resources to address the most important issues first, and decide which issues are most important based on their detrimental effects on society as a whole. I struggle to understand how something so simple and basic is so difficult for some to comprehend.

Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse.

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12-13-2008 11:56 PM  9 years agoPost 534
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look,, Stet and I can comprehend that,,,

BUT,,, even if it was legal and you smoked it, you would still be a Stoner !!

can YOU comprehend that ???

Jim
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12-14-2008 01:35 AM  9 years agoPost 535
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Yea....just like everyone that has ever taken a drink is an alcoholic. This is what they call an over generalization. Lumping every body into one category.....I doubt you know every one that ever smoked or consumed pot to be able to make that assumption, so with that in mind you talking out your A$$ because your mouth knows better......Dude have a puff ...see the blue haze in the light.Enjoy
It was said best in the movie Platoon. "Feeling good is good enough...."

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12-14-2008 01:58 AM  9 years agoPost 536
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""Dude have a puff""

typical, trying to get a newbie hooked and brake the law too, nice, smart

""I doubt you know every one that ever smoked or consumed pot to be able to make that assumption, so with that in mind you talking out your A$$ because your mouth knows better""

man you should here yourself,, like I said, get clean for 2 or 3 years and come back and read what you have said,, do yourself a favor and talk to someone that quit and listen to them !!

Jim
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12-14-2008 02:18 AM  9 years agoPost 537
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I'd tell that to any body...they don't have to take the advise. Why are you such a Pot Nazi.....there is no harm done to those that choose to indulge.....I have been smoking pot for over 40 years with no ill health effects nor any kind of addiction to it....AS far as my life goes..... you don't know me ,so do even think you can make any kind of judgments about me. Keep your uninformed opinion about me off this forum till you have actually meet me. Any thing else you say about me will show your ignorance.

BTW I love that you used the term "Hooked" ......really shows your ignorance

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12-14-2008 03:28 AM  9 years agoPost 538
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Agreed, pot is harmless and has no long term physical or mental effects and I can vouch for this as I used to smoke copious quantities of home grown for a number of years. There are two reasons why I eventually stopped smoking. 1st off, I found it detremental to my physical awareness when I became addicted (yes I have an addictive nature) to helis and I found smoking skunk put my mind in a state where it was not fast enough to react to corrections required in 3D flight. However, my main reason for making the decision to quit growing my own was due a trip to the dentist. He said I had benign cancerous spots the roof of my mouth which obviously scared the crap out of me. Seeing as I was just about to start growing a new batch, I decided against this and finished up smoking the previous crop. Some months later, when I visited my dentist, he was alarmed at how these benign spots had vanished. Hmmm me thinks. Consequently, I've not been a hardcore smoker since. 30 Js a day = hardcore don't you agree. Shame my creative side is diminished without this level of enhancement but I ain't ready to die just yet so I reckon the cost is justifyable.
So what of the effects of cannabis on memory ? I am 46 and after discussions with folk of similar age, my memory is as good as the next mans.
So what of the effects on mental agility ? Way above average for things I care about.
So what of the effects personal management ? I'm extremely successful in my field of work.
So what effects of my emotional state ? Bloody great given the crap I've had to deal with over the last few years.

So to summarise:- pot smoking is completely fine but has possible cencerous effects which are fully recoverable if recognised early on. Pot DOES temporarily effect ones physical awareness so endevours such as flying or driving need consideration. BTW When I was a serious pot smoker I was winning cart races ! A paradox or what. The bigger issues relates more to socioligacal issues and the confines in which these practices are attributable to relevant behaviour and the personal demands that an individual is subject to. Alcoholism is a much bigger and destructive problem.

Just wish I could quit smoking cigarettes but that's another issue

Vegetable rights and Peace

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12-14-2008 03:52 AM  9 years agoPost 539
artimus

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cigarettes !!!.....Poison....but I anint gonna tell you cant smoke it .....just dont smoke it around me my kid or on the job....wait....where have I heard that?

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12-14-2008 11:48 AM  9 years agoPost 540
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I'm 61, never smoked the stuff....but I WAS a heavy tobacco-smoker

(6-oz, pipe tobacco, 200 Disque bleu, 5 or 10 half -coronas and the odd bit of snuff
WEEKLY!!!....I was in the tobacco-trade for a few years....gave up overnight-like Yug, a wakeup-call,a throat-infection which wouldn't clear. After 3 week's enforced abstinence, I never restarted and after a couple of years the reflex of feeling for the pipe/pouch disappeared.

Have known plenty of pot-smokers,no addicts. Explained the risks and pleasures of legal and illegal drugs to my kids. Oldest is now 31, smoked tobacco about 10 years, now "clean" over a year.-occasional drinker.

other 2 kids, neither smokes,both drink occasionally, both use pot occasionally. long as they don't stink my house out with it, I don't have a problem.

All have stable,well-paid,responsible jobs.

The US politician who finally admitted that prohibition was counter-productive to society, risked his party's credibility....today's politicos face the same problem, how to about-face without losing face.

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