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05-18-2008 10:56 PM  9 years agoPost 1
edge540l

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whats the secret to get these blades to track,i have balanced them and can not seem to get them to track at all

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05-18-2008 11:05 PM  9 years agoPost 2
denheli

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I had to change out the plastic mixing arms to the metal one. #2 I went ahead and went with CF blades. No more tracking problems.

Chris

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05-19-2008 12:10 AM  9 years agoPost 3
toolman18

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Try running them a little loose then tighten them a little at a time. Its a sweet spot. Youll know when you hit it.

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05-19-2008 07:36 AM  9 years agoPost 4
HeliMan Dave

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toolman18,

Thanks for the tip. I had over 20 flights on a black set of Align woods that tracked perfectly (balanced with one piece of tape). Then... crashed. I bought a new set that did'nt need to be balanced but tracking is slightly off. Changed out the old TT plastic blade spacers but still a tad off.

I will try your idea of running them a little extra loose and tighten after each flight.

Dave

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05-19-2008 01:37 PM  9 years agoPost 5
toolman18

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It worked for me. I was getting frustrated because i like to run mine pretty tight. I wasnt able to do that and stay in track.

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05-19-2008 03:30 PM  9 years agoPost 6
RotorRage

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I agree with toolman. You have to find the G...uhhh, sweet spot and they will track track for ya. Also watch your head speed.

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05-19-2008 09:48 PM  9 years agoPost 7
FlaG8r

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Save yourself major headache and if your new to helis, just fly the stock woodies, never out of track. OR contact Curtis Youngblood Ent. and order a set of cosmetically flawed Radix 325's for $25. Great carbons on the cheap.

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05-20-2008 07:59 AM  9 years agoPost 8
HeliMan Dave

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Well guys,

The Align Pro woodies were still out of track after flying them much looser than normal. I even swapped out the plastic spacers with a new set. Then I put the stock TT woodies back on and tracking was almost 100% perfect. I'm thinking it's either the Align blades (even though they are balanced) or one of the plastic grips.

I guess I'll buy another set of Aligns to try first.

flag8r77,

The stock TT woodies make the motor & ESC run way too hot. My tail starts pulsing (from ESC warning of overheating) after only 5-6 minutes with them. Aligns go 8-10 minutes often without ANY pulsing. They are much more efficient.

I saw the radix blemished blades but they are $29.00 and you can only get them by ordering with a credit card. Besides, being new, I don't want to trash a set of $29.00 CF blades every week.

Dave

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05-20-2008 11:34 PM  9 years agoPost 9
fenderstrat

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99.99% of all people flying the MT solve tracking problems for 10 bucks....metal upper mixing arms.....the other .01% is flag8r77

you may have gotten a warped blade but the align woodies are fairly consistent

also check that the spindle bolts are tight

some people LOVE the stock TT blades...while they do actually fly good as you have found they heat up the motor/esc and shorten runtime considerably...align woodies...best bang for your $$$$$

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05-21-2008 01:15 AM  9 years agoPost 10
redvtr1000

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Dave, I had those problems with mine after swapping to the align woodies. It kept getting worse for a while with the aligns though it would seem to go away with the tt wood blades. Somewhere around that time, I found a ball that had started to back out and after tightening it up, I was again able to get it to track fine with align blades.

Radix and kasama did make for a nice combo though and it seems to never have a single issue after initial setup.

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05-21-2008 09:00 PM  9 years agoPost 11
HeliMan Dave

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Thanks Red.

My last set of Align's was PERFECT. After the last crash, when I replaced the flybar, main and feathering shaft and put the NEW ALign's on is when I noticed the tracking off.

I checked all the ball links like you said and I see none backing out.

I'm going to go fly at the heli park today and from there to the LHS. I will buy a new set of Aligns if they have them in stock just to try.

If they don't help, I will have to investigate further. I read what you said on the other forum about adjusting the linkages of one blade but I didn't replace anything on them so I don't understand why I'd need to adjust it if the last Aligns were perfect. That is, unless I didn't "notice" the tracking being off.

DANG, these heli's are SO touchy. This is swaying me from buying that Hurricane H550 (which guys that fly both say the H550 needs more "tweaking" to fly/repair) and sticking to the simpler design E550 Raptor.

Dave

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05-21-2008 09:03 PM  9 years agoPost 12
HeliMan Dave

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fenderstrat,

I already have the metal mixing arms. I had to replace them after a "blowup" on the ground last Feb. when one of the plastic arms failed.

I'm now thinking I might want to go with a metal head on it this fall.

Dave D.

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05-21-2008 09:07 PM  9 years agoPost 13
redvtr1000

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Quite common to have to make a minor adjustment to tracking after a crash. If it was fine before the crash and out afterward, you need to look at adjusting the linkage a bit and trying to get it back. That assumes you replaced any items that might have been damaged in the crash which affect tracking.

From your post on rcu, I would gather that you need to adjust one side a full turn at the blade grip and go from there. If it is a half inch out, make the adjustment and re-fly it. You will know when you went the right way because you can hear, see, feel the difference.

Tracking is mostly a trial and error process, considering that you didn't have any problems before the crash and this is a steady issue, I'd advise not to throw any money at it with upgrades until you have attempted the adjustment. If you can't get it to track or it continously fluctuates, you might then want to do something else.

(edit: nevermind, didn't see the above post. you just need to adjust if you already have the metal arms. Tweak that linkage and get it right and you should be good unless....)

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05-22-2008 07:22 AM  9 years agoPost 14
HeliMan Dave

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Thanks Red.

Per my post on the other forum I made the adjustment like you said and it's very close if not perfect. It's hard to tell when your the one piloting AND watching the tracking.

My local guru said it looked pretty good though so I've left it until the next outing.

Dave D.

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05-22-2008 02:40 PM  9 years agoPost 15
redvtr1000

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you get used to seeing it when you aren't so worried about flying the heli all the time. I think we all go through the same basic process while learning so no doubt you will be able to spot and tune out little tracking issues with experience.

Having someone else to watch while you fly helps though, especially if you use the colored tape method and try to spot which blade is high by noting the color. I find that nearly impossible to do, especially if I am by myself.

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05-22-2008 05:37 PM  9 years agoPost 16
FlaG8r

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Fender....I guess it's .02% now?

"fenderstrat,

I already have the metal mixing arms. I had to replace them after a "blowup" on the ground last Feb. when one of the plastic arms failed.

I'm now thinking I might want to go with a metal head on it this fall.

Dave D."

Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid

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05-22-2008 06:18 PM  9 years agoPost 17
redvtr1000

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I dunno about that, Dave is relatively new to helis so I wouldn't put all the blame on the heli just yet. You got a lemon

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05-22-2008 07:33 PM  9 years agoPost 18
FlaG8r

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True, well just my 2 cents...regardless, I don't even have my Mini anymore, bought a couple of 600Ns. Looking at the Bandit 450 now or the Beam 450.

Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid

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05-22-2008 10:41 PM  9 years agoPost 19
fenderstrat

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from the sounds of things now...it sounds like there is not a tracking problem...it just needs to be fine tuned....so we are back to .01%
they don't help, I will have to investigate further. I read what you said on the other forum about adjusting the linkages of one blade but I didn't replace anything on them so I don't understand why I'd need to adjust it if the last Aligns were perfect. That is, unless I didn't "notice" the tracking
you sometimes have to adjust tracking with a new set of blades(especially after a crash),even if its a half turn or so..if you had a crash..one of the linkages could have a slight bend in it(especially the blade grip links if you had blade strikes),which affects its overall length...also even if the blades are balanced...they can still weigh different than the last set and have a different COG...plus they may have a slightly different profile.........a slight difference in angle is going to give different lift....and this means a tracking adjustment

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05-23-2008 08:01 AM  9 years agoPost 20
HeliMan Dave

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Well,

Today I flew the MT again and noticed the tracking was a tad more off than I remember. I landed and unscrewed the link one more turn. It looked perfect after that.

One thing is if the rods are both right-hand threaded and the ball link has to go one way (with the "T" facing out) how do you adjust a link less than one full turn?

Well, I'm thinking it's time to shorten the training gear a little now :-)

It's also time to turn my attention to my 2nd heli decision.

I'm leaning highly towards an E550 Raptor over a GAUI Hurricane H550

Dave

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