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05-15-2008 09:52 AM  9 years agoPost 1
shizack

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Aiken, SC USA

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Why do they advertise this thing as ready to fly with:
1. a motor that won't last 3 flights?
2. a belt that keeps jumping off the guides?
3. a tail that won't hold?
a questionable gyro?

Why should I have to upgrade these things straight out of the box?

If you're pumping your fist and clenching your teeth saying "Yeah!!" then you've missed the point and have failed to do your research.

1. The first thing you should have read is that the stock motor usually arrives in critical condition and WILL die in a very short time.
Brushless motor and ESC: $45

2. The belt is aligned at a slight angle. Admittedly poor QC.
Flip the bearings/add a washer: Free to $1

3. The stock tail rotor ratio is about 3.25:1. You can increase tail authority by reading about how to properly set up a belt-tail heli or cheating with a 43T pulley "upgrade" which generally covers up inadequate setup procedures.

Or you could do what you're talking yourself into anyway, and either get a BladeCP ($200+ "RTF" or Esky CP2 (and come crawling back to the King forum when you see how problematic they are), or, (catchphrase of the new millenium):

JUST GET A TREX. And spend twice as much for equivalent enjoyment.

JAGS has brushless and HH gyro upgraded RTS (Ready To Set up) Kings for $225. Beat that with a stick if you can.

Do your research and get a CP education before buying, or:

JUST GET ANOTHER HAVOC HELI.

A soul in tension is learning to fly

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05-15-2008 11:11 AM  9 years agoPost 2
Sgt Heli

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I think you've covered it Shiz.

Really, Esky should only sell that bird with a brushless and proper ESC. That would save everybody time and trouble.

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05-15-2008 11:39 AM  9 years agoPost 3
shizack

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I think I'm the only person in the heli world that actually is GLAD they don't sell it with the brushless already installed.

"King 2 RTF with included EK5-0005 3900kv motor and EK1-0350 ESC"
OK, good deal. But, the ESC is known to have a minor, trivial, non-issue with BURSTING INTO FLAMES in flight.

By thoughtfully providing a paperweight for a motor and test BEC for an ESC, Esky has given us the opportunity to freely experiment with motors and ESC's of our own choosing.

I would probably have given up on the whole deal if my King had gone up in a bright puff of smoke, but the 300HDX 4200kv motor paired with the Dynam 30 ESC has been flawless. If the package came RTF with the 3900 and EK1-0350, it's 50/50 that I would be spending money on some other pastime.

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05-15-2008 02:10 PM  9 years agoPost 4
ragtop

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salt lake city, utah, usa

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i think the king is the way it is because it hits the right price point.
if it came with a brushless mtr it would be too close to the belt and its price point. in a bare bones kit they are already too close. i dont know whats up with the tail but ive never really had problems with my king not holding correctly, in fact im rather fond of the right hand piros it is able to preform. mabey its cause i use a computer radio.

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05-15-2008 02:14 PM  9 years agoPost 5
fenderstrat

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or you could do what I did....buy the bare bones and put whatever you want on it and not buy anything you dont need

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05-15-2008 02:26 PM  9 years agoPost 6
TJinGuy

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Socorro, NM - USA

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The king is what it is and anyone buying it just needs to know what it is exactly. But there are a lot of folks that buy it as a RTF because they are well ... dumb ... or more accurately ... uninformed. For some reason they think they can compare a $150 RTF heli to a $500 RTF heli and then have the nerve to complain about the brushed motor and rate gyro! I have been pissed about this kind of thing for a long time but what ya gonna do? I personally love to tinker with things and that makes the King perfect for me but amazingly enough there are a lot of folks out there that want to just buy and fly. They could care less how it works or anything about it except that it makes them look cool to fly it. That is why the over hyped/priced B400 exists. I say good for them as I don't want them in my favorite forum anyhow.

- Chris

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05-15-2008 02:44 PM  9 years agoPost 7
fenderstrat

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I love the guys that want to buy a RTF because they dont want to put anything together because they dont know how....but we all know how long a newbies first flight is.......so you are going to learn repair anyway...you might as well learn everything from the beginning

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05-15-2008 03:17 PM  9 years agoPost 8
Sgt Heli

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Remlap, Al USA

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The King as it is today in RTF form is misleading at the very least. Its not ready to fly until you get a brushless setup for it, period. Back at Esky engineering: "you, good idea, sell em brushed POS first, then hack em for brushless soon after"

For the record, Ive had no problems with the Esky brushless ESC and I suspect most haven't either.

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05-15-2008 03:32 PM  9 years agoPost 9
norsman

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paradise PA

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The fact that they are RTF does not mean for ever, that would be RTFFE.I bought mine RTF with the brushed motor and it did for about 6 flights,I don't know if they intended it for the true hobbyest or retail in malls over in China but I never had a problem with there esc's and for the price of a brushless motor I flew it for a long time even with it's rate gyro.There is a saying ,you get what you pay for,very true

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05-15-2008 03:43 PM  9 years agoPost 10
TJinGuy

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Yeah but "you get what you pat for" only kind of applies for the King. Once upgraded with $100 worth of stuff, the king flies wonderfully. That makes is a very decent bird for half the cost of other RTF kits. If it were a toaster you paid $7 for and it didn't make good toast, you can't exactly upgrade the insides and make it as good as a $50 toaster. The king is very capable but it is just isn't sold as such and that is where doing a bit of research comes in handy.

- Chris

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05-15-2008 03:54 PM  9 years agoPost 11
norsman

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Are you calling the king a toaster?and if so would it be a 4 slicer or 2?? You were right TJ it is what it is,I my self had a great time flying my king

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05-15-2008 04:06 PM  9 years agoPost 12
J_Cunny

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Austin, Texas

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It's not a toaster..Think of it more of a food processor "La Machine" if you will. I have both a King and a Recks, there are huge diffs. But I knew that. I don't expect T-Recks out of King and vice versa. They both have pluses and minuses. You can't compare a Mustang to a Porsche, you could but you will always have a "slighted" comparision. Don't ask me which one I think is a Porsche either.....

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05-15-2008 07:04 PM  9 years agoPost 13
TJinGuy

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Actually the King is a 3-slicer. It makes 1.5 sandwiches at a time

Well the King is definitly a Porsche. It is tail heavy and take a special kind of person to learn how to really drive it. The Rex is more like a Ferrari. It's pretty and fast but when it comes to raw performance, the cost is not worth the end result. But hey we all have our own likes and dislikes. Do I want a Ferrari (Rex), hell yeah. But I also wouldn't mind a Mustang (Belt-CP) if I had the money.

- Chris

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05-16-2008 03:09 AM  9 years agoPost 14
zaw

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Lebanon, NH - USA

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I have a Police packaged Caprice its got 5.7L/350ci LT1, 260hp 280ft/lb touque. Its got power windows, driver power seat, A/C. Stab proof seats. 190K miles and runs 15 sec 1/4 miles and still keep up with new high performance cars. And it was cheap!

That's what King's is like to me, very low priced and work great with a few mods.

ಠ_ಠ HBK2 built with inexpensive parts! ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ Gaui425

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05-16-2008 03:37 AM  9 years agoPost 15
billcoltharp

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Austin,TX

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How much does a King cost now?

How much with the "necessary upgrades"?

How necessary is a heading hold gyro?

I got my Belt CP delivered to my door for $200 and it was really ready-to-fly. I flew it for several months with only very minor adjustments until a recent crash.

Now waiting for parts to get it back in the air. Maybe by this week end?

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05-16-2008 04:50 AM  9 years agoPost 16
Sgt Heli

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Remlap, Al USA

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Bill, A RTF King does include a decent Tx and Rx which the Belt AFAIK does not. For a person already in the hobby with radio gear a Belt CP is hard to beat!

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