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05-14-2008 03:38 PM  9 years agoPost 41
Mutt

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sure costs are rising all the time but why not a break down of where the members moneys are going? AMA does it R/C Clubs do it so why the secrets from ircha?

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05-14-2008 03:43 PM  9 years agoPost 42
loveraptors

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A good question, why doesn't someone PM some of the IRCHA members and ask them?

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05-14-2008 04:34 PM  9 years agoPost 43
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This is a great thread. I hope that we can get a response. About 6-7 years ago there was a very good discussion on the money from IRCHA and that it was spent in "unfavorable" way by those in charge. I don't doubt that and truly hope the new generation of staff are on the up and up.

With the high cost of travel, it would be nice if the AMA could give them a break on the lease and pass that on as a discount on the registration for the pilots.
For instance, if I remember correctly the cost of tables alone at IRCHA was around 5,000 dollars.
What, do they BUY new tables every year???

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05-14-2008 04:34 PM  9 years agoPost 44
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well, the guy to ask would be the Treasurer and thats how this thread got started. The guy wont respond. Nor, apparently will IRCHA.

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05-14-2008 04:45 PM  9 years agoPost 45
loveraptors

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Hi Ryan
How are things going up your way. I can't answer your question about the tables, as to whether they have to buy them or rent them, but I don't have any reason to doubt the honestly of the person who told me. Even though that does seem like a lot, I just know that is what I was told. I wanted to make the SRC a Ircha regional event this year but was told there was not enough money. So maybe they really are in a money crunch like everyone else.

Are you planning on going to IRCHA this year?

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05-14-2008 05:08 PM  9 years agoPost 46
bjacks

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IRCHA has to rent the space from AMA, they haft to pay for the tents, tables, chairs and so forth, last year(2007) I was told by the Pres. that AMA was going up on everything. Don't beat up IRCHA if AMA charging more, just my two cents worth. Bobby

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05-14-2008 05:14 PM  9 years agoPost 47
HeliBuster

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costs

loveraptors - you mentioned the cost of tables I am sure there was more costs that just that? wonder what 700+ shirts cost or how about dinner for 700 people? how about all them tents? +++++

Guys I am all for wanting to know are money is going to good use but do you really think any group is going to post there financials out on a public forum that is not there site? case in point do a search at all the threads that complain about ama do you see them posting on RR? No, so why do you think IRCHA will be any diffrent. somebody mentioned they contacted the tres. and got no respone did you try anyone else, did you try there site? I would guess not it is to easy to sit back and just complain. Maybe you that seem to have all the answers should run for office next election so you can post all the info on RR.

I am a ircha member and will always be one! Bring on the 2008 Jamboree!

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05-14-2008 05:19 PM  9 years agoPost 48
AirWolfRC

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Most all of the questions and concerns will be addressed if IRCHA and it's treasurer would comply with reporting requirements for a non-profit organization . . . it is a 503C . . . . isn't it ?

What's the reason for being so secretive ? ?

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05-14-2008 05:32 PM  9 years agoPost 49
RyanW

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Hello Terry (loveraptors)

I am looking forward to Mt. P and not eating asphalt this time!

The jury is still out on IRCHA. The $400+ gasoline bill isn't too appetizing!

One good thing about the rising cost of travel is maybe we will have more smaller, local style fun flys!

Back on the topic, I am not trying to bash IRCHA or question any person's information.

-Ryan

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05-14-2008 05:47 PM  9 years agoPost 50
jaxrotor

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Posting to keep up with this Thread. Very Interesting, our club also wanted to host a regional event. With the cost of travel,regional events would seem to be a good option.

http://www.jaxrc.com

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05-14-2008 07:41 PM  9 years agoPost 51
bperry

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Hey helibuster why don't you go to the ircha website for us pal

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05-14-2008 07:58 PM  9 years agoPost 52
loveraptors

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Hey Jaxrotor
I thought our event the Southern Rotary Classic would have really benefited from being an IRCHA regional event and I talked to Mr. Milner and some of the other IRCHA reps about it, but as it turned out they just were not able to do it this year. A thousand dollar was a lot to give out for the amount they thought they were getting back. I thought a thousand dollars was really generous myself.

However, we don't have to have IRCHA help, we have been putting on a good event a long time before Ircha, so we will continue the way we have been doing. We certainly could have probably done more with there help and also done some things to help Ircha membership, but I had no problem with their conclusions. There might be a possiblility for something to be done in the future.

As far as the cost of the tables, as well as tents, t-shirts and other thing, they surely most add up a lot. Maybe we can get a little more insight as to the cost factor later.

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05-14-2008 08:07 PM  9 years agoPost 53
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On the subject of workers getting more prizes, if you look closely, that is all volunteer and to get people to volunteer, they have a special set of raffle prizes for volunteers. You get one ticket for every two hour slot you work. Why do you think you saw a lot of the same workers all the time? Gathering tickets, improving their odds. How many of you have actually CD'd an event? Even a small one? There's lots of work that nobody wants to do no matter how many people you ask. Ask David Harkey of the Birmingham Fun Fly. When he started that, just about 30 pilots showed up at the first one and that required a huge amount of effort. Advertising, contacting vendors, etc. Now look at it and how big it is. Doe you think it gets any easier? How many behind the scenes people do you see? Where does the money from pilot fees go? Those of you complaining, how many of you have offered up useful suggestions or help? Most of you just show up, expect to fly and complain about what's wrong. If you enjoyed yourself, did you go up to Dave Milner and his crew and thank them for putting on a great event? If you had a complaint, did you talk to Dave about that and maybe offer a solution? How many of you attend the NATS? It is also co-sponsored by IRCHA (as a SIG (special interest group)) and the AMA. Part of the entry fees for that event that don't go to the AMA go to judges and workers who spend many hours at the field, mostly because they enjoy model helicopters. How many of you have volunteered help for the 2009 World Championships that will be held in Muncie the week before IRCHA? I know Craig Bradley is looking for all the help he can get. I worked the 2001 Worlds with Craig and it was eight 20 hours days in a row, and we had some help, not alot but enough to get by. Ever asked a CD if he needed a hand with anything and you got turned down? NO, because there is always something to do.

Sorry for the rant but there is more to putting on one of these events than most of the pilots attending ever realizes. As far as the IRCHA treasury report, if you are a member ASK ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. If you don't get the answer you like, ask again or maybe you should run for the board and put your time in, then you can do it your way. If you're not a member, it's none of your business.

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05-14-2008 08:11 PM  9 years agoPost 54
jaxrotor

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If IRCHA has funding issues for regional events, I nor our club have no problem trying to help them out and host an event with no expense to IRCHA. They would need to supply literature,banners and the stuff Im sure they already have.

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05-14-2008 08:32 PM  9 years agoPost 55
loveraptors

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Jaxrotor, That thought has cross my mind also. I would hope our club would be willing to do something like that too.

kcordell, you have a good point too. It takes a lot to run a funfly and do it right.

I spend a lot of time working on the Southern Rotary Classic myself, trying to come up with ideas to make the event more fun. Contacting pilots, vendors and trying to roundup sponsors for the event so we can have some good pilot give aways.

There is a lot of work that goes into getting the field ready and everything set up for the event, helping to organize who is going to do what at the event. The bigger the event the more work there is.

Plus if you are the cd of the event you have to spend all your time there during the entire event or at least you are suppose to. I have heard of more then one event where most of the organizers took off after they got all the money for registeration they thought they were going to get, which is not really right in my mind.

However, I really do enjoy doing it so I try not to complain.

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05-14-2008 09:23 PM  9 years agoPost 56
HeliBuster

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bperry
Hey helibuster why don't you go to the ircha website for us pal
I did and found it very informative, how about you?

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05-15-2008 12:07 AM  9 years agoPost 57
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That is BS. I registered on Friday morning and they didn't say a DAMN THING about sponsorship to me yet they tried to sell me the membership on the prize pretense.
I was there Friday morning through Saturday night. I heard the announcement several times over the PA system both Friday and Saturday. There are others who heard the announcements as well. It is your own fault if you didn't listen to the announcements.

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05-15-2008 01:13 AM  9 years agoPost 58
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Your full of crap ace, I was there and Never heard it.
And even if I missed it, so what? I got there Wed. Igot the "sales pitch" about the prize, NOTHING was said then about any "rules".
Besides, what about the pilots that registered BEFORE Friday??

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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05-15-2008 01:19 AM  9 years agoPost 59
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And now because of 2.4 there really isn't a reason to register if you dont care about the prizes.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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05-15-2008 01:30 AM  9 years agoPost 60
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Does anyone understand the original poster's question?

  

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