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03-17-2003 12:11 AM  14 years agoPost 1
tech1

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This is for all you pilots who are afriad of never getting the hang of this.

This is the beginning of my third year of flying heli's.
Unlike some pilots I don't have enough time to fly gallons and gallons per month. My time allows for something more like a gallon per season. But this is no big deal. I fly when I can and that's good enough for now.

Well it has taken 3 years but I flew and landed nose in today. what a rush....Thanks to realflight for keeping my fingers busy on thise -20 degree days this winter.

The point is the guys that fly inverted a few weeks after trying their first heli are not the norm. While you always have to push to advance ( my new hawk SE will help ) make sure you choose your own pace.

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03-17-2003 06:01 AM  14 years agoPost 2
FinnDave

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I am usually rather sceptical about these 'did it all in the first flight' claims myself. Just coming up to my fourth summer and only recently became comfortable with nose-in, and I have to confess to burning a lot more fuel than you!

My only target is to improve my flying, not to be better than anyone else. So long as I am enjoying it, I'll keep doing it!

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-17-2003 06:12 AM  14 years agoPost 3
Safe_Cracker

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Same here!

This is my Fourth season I can fly for crap!I have a lot more time in modifying and book knowledge then anything.Don't get me wrong, I know my stuff like if I was stuck inside reading all the time, LOL.My wife got pregnant at the end of my first season and get this, now I have to be a father instead of flying....What is the world coming to?My sons first word was Elicopper and that is the absolute truth!I had an accident last year with a Mystar 60 and finally I am ready to begin flying again.This year I will have more time to fly and hopefully I will be able to get out to some of you fellow flyers here in Illinois.I may never be a Curtis but I have lots of fun doing what I am doing right now...

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03-17-2003 04:28 PM  14 years agoPost 4
rockier

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I have been practicing nose in and it has been great. I have about 4 tanks in the heli doing nose in and the more I do it the more fun it is. WOW

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03-17-2003 04:44 PM  14 years agoPost 5
wouter

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Belgium

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hi,

i have burned about 1 gallon now in 1,5 months.
The first few tanks i was really scared. Simulator helps a lot
but the real thing is still very different.
Anyway, i'm doing my first nose'ins, and slow pirouttes. I can't land
nose in yet but i can keep it still in front of me. And when i'm starting
to lose it, i give some more pitch and recover it.
Quite scary at first, but after a few times you get used to it.

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03-17-2003 04:55 PM  14 years agoPost 6
Gearhead

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thanks to over 120 hours on 2 different sims I started nose-in on my second gallon,,, that was a while ago..


Jim

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03-17-2003 07:31 PM  14 years agoPost 7
ez-flier

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I gotta say that the sim really helped me, and still helps me. It may not teach you everything, but it will teach you what it's like to move the sticks I'm with Jim, except, sorry jim, i've got more time then him, but only on Real Flight. If you don't have one, get one! and i DID hover first flight, might go out in a little while too.....it's 60 and sunny here in Vermont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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03-17-2003 07:44 PM  14 years agoPost 8
deckerv

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I learned nose-in on my 3rd or 4th tank.... but only to many hours of G2 flight sim time. I've been flying planks for 20+ years too, so it kinda helped a little with orientation. Keep the chin up, and you'll do fine

deck

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03-17-2003 08:02 PM  14 years agoPost 9
daggit

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I have been flying since last summer. Got about 7 gallons under my belt (2 of them last weekend)

I was practicing inverted hovering for the first time this weekend with the Raptor 30. I gotta say if you can do it on the simulator... IT IS A LOT EASIER FOR REAL I use Real Flight but not the G2. I felt like I wasn't doing enough but she was flying upside down .

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03-17-2003 08:58 PM  14 years agoPost 10
tommytee

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If I practice nose for too long (like 1 full tank) then I go back to tail in my brain goes to jelly , I found best way is to alternate between the 2 for short amounts of time so the grey matter can keep up !!

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03-17-2003 09:42 PM  14 years agoPost 11
Greaper

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I was practicing my nose in this weekend when I crashed.

The heli was caught a gust of wind and pushed it to my left. Well, I had a dumb thumb moment and gave it left stick. At the same time I also chopped the throttle down as I was only about 1 foot off the ground. Well, the blades struck the ground and thats all it needed.

Broke main blades, paddle bar, tail boom, horizontal stabilizer, and tail slider pitch fork. Total about $50.

Should have it rebuilt this week

Live and learn.

G

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03-17-2003 09:58 PM  14 years agoPost 12
ez-flier

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Update!!!!!! The sim REALLY does help! went outside today and got nose in down. Even landed it! try nose in from the high approach first! you can just go fly around if it doesn't go well, then bring it down. Keep it up!
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03-17-2003 10:51 PM  14 years agoPost 13
5zigendes

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i think the sim helps, even though i never flew the real one before.

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03-18-2003 12:06 AM  14 years agoPost 14
Mr_Magoo

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The pay-off of proficient nose-in is when you start to do aerobatic autos you can land nose (or tail) into the wind no matter what the wind direction. Piro-flipping autos are great. But if you have to turn the tail to yourself in order to touch down, you are showing a missing fundamental.

Magoo

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03-18-2003 12:25 AM  14 years agoPost 15
5zigendes

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yea.... right

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03-18-2003 02:37 AM  14 years agoPost 16
440GTX

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Nose In

I have the same problem as some pilots.
" Lack of flying time " In 2 years I have 12 gallons through my R30.
NO SIM hours
I can Nose in for at least 15 seconds. Does that count ?

Fred..

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03-18-2003 03:40 AM  14 years agoPost 17
tech1

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any amount of nose in counts as a start.

Until yesterday the only nose in I experienced was doing figure 8's in forward flight.
I was comfortable with left and right sideways hovering but nothing with nose in. A winter of practicing on the simualtor has paid off. It felt like I had been doing it for long time.
Hats off to flight simulators.

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03-18-2003 05:14 PM  14 years agoPost 18
groundeffect

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I think its a good idea to learn nose in just after learning nose out, side to side on 45's and 90 degree angles. I went into FF for a tank before learning nose in, then realized all your flying will be limited without it. I then decided to master nose in, landing, take offs both 45's before entering FF again. It worked out well, now I can land and take off in any position.

Its neat just going to the field, laying your heli on the field in orientation, then just lefting off..... landing etc....

Learning nose in asap gives more control, more confidence and no limitations on your flying patterns and styles.

I think nose in is just like any other building block in flying helicopters, they should be completed an adiqite amount of practise and then excel to the next level when the current level is accomplished very well.

There are pilots out there claming they can do 'this' and 'that' but really the manuevers they are mentioning never really look right because there have been steps along the way they did not complete or fully practise before moving to the next level.


My $.02

Dean

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03-18-2003 09:38 PM  14 years agoPost 19
flyboy

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on a good day

Thanks, Flyboy

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03-21-2003 09:17 PM  14 years agoPost 20
maddog7

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I think that a lot more of flying nose in is confidence and composure than actual ability (within reason obviously), its the next 'hard' thing to learn, the sim can't help with this.
Most dumb thums situations are 'moments' imho where the brain experiences paralasys because of fear or confusion ( you can hear your plastic wimpering in your wallet!)
Whilst the sim is absolutely essential (I feel) dont miss this emotional factor. When I use the sim I try to imagine myself at the field to re-enact the feelings of actually being 'live'

The other thing with the sim is, force yourself to learn two or three stages ahead
eg if you can hover the real thing tail in, before you try nose in, make sure you can fly backwards and maybe inverted on the sim (even if you can't do this stuff for more than a few seconds it will autonomously help you with the easier stuff since you can (nearly) correct a wider variety of conditions and attitudes)

Just be careful when doing this not to fly the real thing "right" after doing the advanced stuff on the sim.

This has helped me greatly, I've been flying six months and am just attempting loops and rolls and a little tentative inverted.

I'd say I'm not a particularly fast learner and probably most people could do this or more in the same time.

Whilst everyone can enjoy the hobby at thier own pace I feel I personally want to push and be good at it. I love the way JK flies (reminds me of mohammed ali for some reason, float, float BANG!!)
and I'd love to be able to fly like that, maybe someday 20 years down the line!

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