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03-16-2003 09:24 PM  14 years agoPost 1
Deja_Vu

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I went to church today and got to thinking that maybe I could be doing more to help people out. But realized, as a single individual I don't have all that much power to make much of a difference. At that point I realized I was a memeber of a group of more than 6000 good people. (That would be all of you) Maybe I'm way off, but I thought that as a large group we could do a lot to make a difference.

I was thinking of all the great causes out there, cancer, aids, hunger, the environment and any number of good causes, and I think most of those are better left to the individual. One thing I think we could do well as a group is offer a RunRyder scholarship or two. My thinking is that in general, when some kid gets on the board for the first time, they are typically well recieved and everybody wants to help them out. I think maybe as a group, we could offer a scholarship to one of these kids who is interested in going to college to pursure an aeronautical related field, or something similiar who maybe doesn't have the means to send themself. Of course Mark would have to want to do this as well, but he seems to be a good guy out to help people.

Imagine what we could do if everyone pitched in $10-$20 dollars. We could put a kid through a rather nice school. I'm personally not a good organizer, and there are all kinds of details that would need to be worked out, but I think it's something as a group would should consider.

Some questions we would need answered:

Who would the scholarship go to, meaning what would the requirements be?

What are the legal ramifications and requirements for starting a charity or just offering a scholarship under a coroporte name?

Would there be enough interest in this to make it worth attempting?

I've had to write this up quickly so I apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors.

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03-16-2003 09:57 PM  14 years agoPost 2
Jagboy69

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nice idea.. but I am sure RR is listed on marks W2 at the end of the year... this is still a business and I am pretty sure he could use the write off... If the charity card gets played.. I think it has to be a non-profit operation... Therefore.. I dont think he would be able to claim the tax break. someone here must surely know the legal ins and outs around something like this... Other questions too.. like who is going to investigate the future worthy soul of this money??? and what will it be based on?? SAT scores?? Financial need?? College grade reports?? Afterall, I do not wish to fund someones new turbine adventure.. but money towards an aviation degree seems in short supply these days.. I am soon off to a flight school that will set me back almost 50,000 and I have to pay CASH MONEY upfront.. my GI Bill will not reimburse me untill the training is complete and even then it will only pay for 60% of flight training.. So send your first donations my way....

Jason /// Sceadu50/9chp WWW.Jagboy69.com

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03-16-2003 10:04 PM  14 years agoPost 3
serious_sam

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let me see:

4 years of private college tuition = $30,000 x 4 = $120,000 not including room and board and expenses, and it is a very low estimate

estimated number of people who would pitch in = 1000 (very optimistic estimate)

each person's share = $120

i guess that's why private scholarships are rare

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03-16-2003 10:07 PM  14 years agoPost 4
RCADDICT

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Count me in

I already have 3 children to put through college and I'll figure it out one way or another. If I can afford to be in this hobby, then $10-$20 isn't gonna break my bank.

You should contact AMA for info concerning this as they offer scholarships as you are suggesting. I bet they could give you
all the info you needed.

Like I said great idea but you have to be prepared to roll with it if you can get Mark's approval. Maybe Mark could set up a paypal account if your wanting Runryder to be the SPONSOR. People could contribute as they saw fit.

I do think that handing out a few smaller sized scholarships would be better than handing out one huge one. Maybe a few could be handed out each year. And I think the donations could be a tax writeoff.

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03-16-2003 10:40 PM  14 years agoPost 5
oaksmith

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Theres as many people collecting for great causes as there is great causes. Don't want to sound like a ass, but you can't drive to the Mall without someone at your car window collecting for a great cause. Please give us a break and keep this a Heli site and leave ---charity... for someone else to worry about---- PLEASE !!!!!!!!

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03-16-2003 11:24 PM  14 years agoPost 6
Deja_Vu

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Ok Oak I apologize for offending you, and suggesting you use your money for something other then what you choose to spend it on. I guess it wasn't right of me to suggest we do something as a good of people with a shared interest, for youth with a similar interest. I know there are thousands of charities out there. But I don't know of many geared towards a private scholarship for aviation related degrees.

I just thought that maybe as a group we could do something, I guess I ought to keep my mouth shut (which you'll notice from my low post count, I usually do). When I headed off to college I received a $1500 dollar scholarship from the local air force wives’ association; it made a big difference in my ability to pay for college the first year. That was more along the lines of the size scholarship I was thinking. I know many corporations give out scholarships, so I would guess that could be written off. That's why I was thinking it might be good for runryder to sponsor one.


As for the details, I doubt that I would be the best to organize it. Obviously the biggest part of the planning would be how to collect the money, and then how to decided who gets it. I was hoping someone with good organizational skills who was interested could head it up. I wanted to merely throw the idea out for discussion.

Anyway...I'm sorry for wasting your time, and wanting to give something back to the heli community.

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03-17-2003 12:32 AM  14 years agoPost 7
DMShanks

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Deja_Vu, If you have a cause, go with it man! There are tons of people on this planet that will attempt to dissuade you. If you believe in it, stay true to your beliefs and see it through. Best of luck!

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03-17-2003 12:56 AM  14 years agoPost 8
RCADDICT

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Deja_Vu

You know that ole proverb concerning opinions I assume. Yes, everyone does have one and its good to see yours is positive. Don't worry about what some people may think. I also read somewhere "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I still think its a great idea. It would not only help a few kids out but would also be good publicity for Runryder should Mark back the idea.

As for the above mentioned negative opinion, this thread is much more heli related than many that I see in this forum from time to time.

My two cents!

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03-17-2003 01:23 AM  14 years agoPost 9
oaksmith

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Holy Cow---

I didn't say charity was a bad thing, In fact I give to it from time to time. Everyone is not in a position to give and I would bet that many people in this hobby is not in a position to give because of this hobby.

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03-17-2003 01:46 AM  14 years agoPost 10
Deja_Vu

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I guess the problem is you can't tell tone of voice in a thread. I took:

"Please give us a break and keep this a Heli site and leave ---charity... for someone else to worry about---- PLEASE !!!!!!!!"

As a pretty strong indicator that you were against the idea of this site, or a group of heli guys, sponsoring some time of a scholarship, and also as something that shouldn't even be discussed. I think all the exclamation points kind of implied an angry tone of voice. So I sincerely apologize for misconstruing your response. I also apologize for not being clear in my response, I didn't mean to imply that you do not like charities at all.

So instead of something that cost money, and something that is more heli-related, how about this proposal. A heli-mentor program. The idea is there could be a page where people who were willing could list their contact information to be a mentor to someone interested?

I know the pilot locator is something like this, but it doesn't give any indication of who would like to be contacted from out of the blue to help some new guy out.

It actually wouldn't even need a page dedicated to it. It could just be a check box on your profile. Then you could just perform a search for a willing pilot in your local area. That would be a form of charity (giving of your time) that is 100% related to the topic at hand, and would serve as a great way to promote the hobby.

Any opinions on that?

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03-17-2003 02:55 AM  14 years agoPost 11
oaksmith

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Deja_Vu

Forgive my attitude, and how I view people with kind hearts and good intentions. My wife blames my 27 years in various positions within the Criminal Justice System. With the last dozen years as a Lt. and more recently as a Captain and Shift Commander of a large Medium / Maximum Security Correctional Institution. In this business, you become skeptical of all people. Everyday we deal with the worst that society has to offer and over time it does indeed change you personality.

I think this hobby is the best and one reason is that for the most part no ones wants anything from you except your opinions and past experanices. '

Again, sorry and I'll try to hide my skeptical side.

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03-17-2003 03:59 AM  14 years agoPost 12
CliffM69

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I don't have an opinion one way or another on your post, except that it has nothing whatsoever to do with helicopters, and as such should have been posted in the "Off Topic" forum.

Cliff

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03-17-2003 04:39 AM  14 years agoPost 13
Deja_Vu

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OK, last post by me I guess on this topic. I'll make sure in the future to do like in the past, and that's just to read the posts, learn what I can, and only reply to a topic that is helicopter related, and with which I have personal experience. Mark feel free to delete this thread or move it as necessary. I'll refrain from trying to have any ideas about how to assist fellow pilots in the future.

Cliff:

The first idea was to create a scholarship for kids thinking of going in to an aviation-related field. To me that has something to do with helicopters.

The second post I made was suggesting that we start an RC Helicopter Mentoring program. I honestly can't fathom how that isn't related to helicopters.

My understanding was the Off topic forum was for people to talk about things like cars, or computers, or whatever they felt like talking about.

Oaksmith, thank you for being an understanding and what I think to be a good person. I completely see your point of view, and to be honest until today I have pretty much had the same opinion. I just thought I had had some sort of epiphany today where we as a group of people could do something to help people just starting out in life. From some of the previous posts I see that there are some that agree, and obviously some that don't. I guess for now this just isn't the right time or place.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to read this thread. Please if anything go out and do something nice for someone, it might just make his or her day

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03-17-2003 08:11 AM  14 years agoPost 14
Jagboy69

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why do people often get pissy when someone trys to reach into their wallets.. Most would rather discuss a miserable love life than their own personel finances... Let me know when you get a program setup.. I'll help in anyway I can........

Jason /// Sceadu50/9chp WWW.Jagboy69.com

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03-17-2003 05:59 PM  14 years agoPost 15
jmp47

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charity

Deja_Vu,
If you get this started let me know. I will put up $100 as long as your program meets my requirements for selection of the recipient. $100 is equivalent to one crash…


John

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03-17-2003 07:02 PM  14 years agoPost 16
rover

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Go public University.

For you guys complaining about Deja_vu posting this add I think it is BS. I am a student In mechanical engineering and I can vouch for a need for a scholarship. if I didnt have one when I was 18, I would not be in school right now. A deserving student deserves a scholarship. It is bad enough that you have brilliant minds dropping out of college and not even going in the first place because of financial reasons. When you have the chance to change that it should be changed. Fortunately, now I make enough to live and pay for my college without student loans but it is not like that for every one. Make A difference. I would be glad to make a donation to a scholarship fund preferably in the engineering field.
Dustin Kerr

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