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03-14-2003 08:13 PM  14 years agoPost 1
BladeStrike

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I was browsing the "Naming and Shaming" Link on skylinemodels dot co dot uk. Some one has the guts to say enough is enough to the distributors on parts pricing. Surprise one has reduced the prices. I am sure the brits are rejoicing now.

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03-14-2003 10:38 PM  14 years agoPost 2
heliraptor

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Hi

I'd be rejoicing if everyone followed suit. I was talking with a friend the other day comparing prices, do you know how much a pair of MA flybar weights are here, nearly £15.....................outrageous.

I guess in the states they will be around $14, seems the pricing over here doesnt reflect actual value, more an easy swap for the dollar sign to the good old GBP !!!

Funny how I dont hear of many guys from the states buying stuff form the UK (except the odd Robbe & Henseleit gear)

Lee

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03-15-2003 12:40 AM  14 years agoPost 3
peteryeeles

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Im sure in someways its swings and roundabouts.......but i would have to agree Lee, that we are being ripped off by some1 in the sales chain, be it the shop, the distributor or the manufacturer. Its not the governent.....as the tax is set on leisure items...

As an example, i just spent £340 upgrading my rappy 30 to a rappy 50 (v1). To my disgust, a few days later, i discover that cyberheli are selling r50v2 complete kits with os50 and hatori pipe for $450. Makes me sick

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03-15-2003 06:35 AM  14 years agoPost 4
FinnDave

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That 450$ Raptor is going to cost you 644$ by the time you've paid shipping, duty & VAT. People seem to forget to factor that in!

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-15-2003 07:22 AM  14 years agoPost 5
Will B

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FinnDave.....I think your figure of $644 is too high.

My R50V2 worked out to be $523. I then had to pay £30ish duty/Vat/Parcel force handling charge on top of that.

Cheers, Will.

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03-15-2003 07:56 AM  14 years agoPost 6
Chef

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well is there any wonder people purchase from internet dealers then.

I fully understand that the Model shops have to cover there staff wages and shop rents etc but you cannot beat going into a model shop and having a face to face discussion with people who know more than you do (most of the time). But i agree though, suppliers are going to have to do something about there pricing structure as more and more people are beginning to buy on line. No physicall shop premises can compare with that.

I nearly always buy from Midland Helicopters here in the UK and I am always very happy with the great service i receive, they know what they are on about. They set my 1st Heli up for me a couple of years ago and test flew it. Thats the reason I go back - great service.

If I get bad service i either walk out or never step foot in that shop again

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03-15-2003 08:36 AM  14 years agoPost 7
FinnDave

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Will, the only reason it could be lower than the figure I quoted is if you managed to get away with paying less duty & ALV by underdeclaring the value.

kit, etc 450$
shipping 60 $ (it was that last year when I bought a Raptor form Cyberheli)

total 510$
duty @ 4%
VAT @ 17.5% on total of goods, shipping and duty

Overall total 643$
Plus whatever the wonderful Parcel Farce decide to charge you, at least I am spared that over here!

I know that it often possible to get away with less duty and tax, but the UK shops cannot do that, so to compare like with like, the tax & duty should be included.

I have started buying more of my stuff from Germany, not as cheap as the Far East, but cheaper than the rest of Europe and no duty or tax collectible.

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-15-2003 11:05 AM  14 years agoPost 8
duc996bp

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FinnDave

I rang the Customs/Excise people a couple of days ago to ask about the duty.

They told me that if the model was MAJORITY plastic, then the duty would be 4.7% .

For any other material, including aluminium, the the duty was 0.8%.

You have to add VAT to both.

Can someone explain the difference!!!!

To me, a model helicopter including engine is NOT majority plastic.

John

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03-15-2003 11:12 AM  14 years agoPost 9
FinnDave

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Same here, I got a quote of 'between 2.6 and 4.7%'. The exact amount depends on the interpretation of the customs officer on the spot. They have huge, telephone-directory like books that list everything known to man withe appropriate rate.

But, it is the VAT that adds the most and that is fixed. You're lucky at 17.5% I have to pay 22%!

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-15-2003 11:21 AM  14 years agoPost 10
duc996bp

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FinnDave

From who in Germany do you buy from?

Do they sell Vario?

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03-15-2003 11:26 AM  14 years agoPost 11
FinnDave

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Umm, hard to believe, but I bought my Sky Fox from Vario in Germany. I don 't know if they will ship to the UK as there is an official dealer there. I have also noticed that Al's hobbies is now selling Vario. I get all my spares direct from the factory, two days by post. I ma told that the shops in Germany cannot discount Varios, though.

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03-15-2003 11:36 AM  14 years agoPost 12
Phil_Mart

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What I cant figure is that a LHS in the US can sell an item for $20 yet a LHS in the UK would (likely as not) sell it for £20. Now if this is a part made in the far east both will have to import it and pay tax on that and both will have sales tax of one form or another added to it.

This kind of negates the argument of the LHS and his overheads as opposed to the 'on-line' purchase. Also don't forget that many LHS are also into 'on-line' shopping these days but, strangely enough at the same price you pay over the counter.

Is this 'Rip Off Britain', yes, it has been proved time and time again in many studies over a very broad range of consumer goods. Will it ever change, no, at least not whilst the majority of people are still unaware of the price difference. I say that because I still think that 'we' in the on-line community only represent a small percentage of of the sport, hobby or whatever.

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03-15-2003 03:18 PM  14 years agoPost 13
FinnDave

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Phil, do the Americans have something like VAT?

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-15-2003 04:55 PM  14 years agoPost 14
Phil_Mart

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Hi Dave,

I 'think' different states have different levels of purchase tax. Maybe a quick round of replies from the US RR's can confirm what the levels are?

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03-15-2003 05:24 PM  14 years agoPost 15
FinnDave

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Be interesting to hear, but bet they're not 22%

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-16-2003 04:16 AM  14 years agoPost 16
Phil Cole

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US sales tax varies state by state and county by county. Some states have none (e.g. NV, NH?), others have various levels up to 7.5% (CA).

In addition there may be local county sales tax. Where I live it's 1.25%. So locally purchased goods are all +8.75%. Mail order in CA, outside my home county is +7.5%. Mail order out of state has no sales tax applied at the moment, but there are moves afoot to change that.

Almost all prices you see quoted in the US are plus tax, so you have to add whatever tax applies to know the true cost. You can get caught short if you just add the prices on the labels.

Sales tax does not apply to raw food, but it does to prepared food.

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03-16-2003 06:52 AM  14 years agoPost 17
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So the US prices we see are tax free, that makes a BIG difference!

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-16-2003 08:49 AM  14 years agoPost 18
Phil_Mart

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But then so are many of the UK prices ex VAT, and at plus 17.5% that makes an even bigger difference. The trouble is that some insist on using the ex VAT price whilst others use inc VAT. WHY? At the end of the day we are going to have to pay it. I'm sure it just a vain attempt to make their advertised price seem cheaper

Mind you it ain't half as bad as paying 22% VAT

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03-16-2003 08:58 AM  14 years agoPost 19
Chef

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I think we should get all our equipment at either Trade price or FOC (Free Of Charge) as it stops us from being on the streets dealing, pimping, causing havoc or driving our cars round and round and round a roundabout showing off.

Well it would be nice Just an idea. Give everything free to Helicopter flyers and make plankers pay more Mind you I fly Planks as well

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03-16-2003 09:10 AM  14 years agoPost 20
FinnDave

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Phil, the only place I have seen that are regularly ex VAT are Midland and Al's hobbies. I agree, I think it is nothing more than an attempt to mislead.

Keith - I agree, helis are so addictive they should be available on prescription, then we could all complain about the quality of our NHS servos!

Oh, well, back to the streets for me, I need some servos for my Sky Fox.

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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