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03-13-2003 06:44 PM  14 years agoPost 1
Kino

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Has anybody tried to get there money back from paypal and how would I go about it .

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03-13-2003 06:56 PM  14 years agoPost 2
sincity

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I would hope you paid via credit card. That's where I would start. You'll have a much better chance of denying payment via your CC company than through PayPal.

I personally haven't had a problem

Shawn

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03-13-2003 08:56 PM  14 years agoPost 3
scoobydoo

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I would NOT use paypal at all even if I was living in the States,

Cheers,

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03-13-2003 10:02 PM  14 years agoPost 4
DrScoles

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How could paypal screw you? That doesnt make sense.
all they do is send money when you request it to be sent... I use it all the time, very convenient. You lose a little when you are the seller, but big deal, for the convenience, I really like it. All the heli stuff I sell gives fiance' a budget for her little collectible stuff she buys off ebay.:-)

I use it all the time, very convenient.


Mike

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03-13-2003 10:07 PM  14 years agoPost 5
mrNoodles

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Just used it a few times, worked very well though!

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03-13-2003 10:16 PM  14 years agoPost 6
vetrider

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I've used if for over a year and over 100 transactions.
No Problems.
Even if I had a problem I'm sure it would get it straightened out since you can go thru them and your CC merchant.

Nolan

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03-13-2003 10:19 PM  14 years agoPost 7
Hotwings

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No problems

i can even bill purchasers through paypal, works for me, have done many, many transactions with no problems, i got a paypal mastercard (debit) so i can access my account more convieniently, atm's , grocery, etc. c-ya ron

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03-14-2003 01:12 AM  14 years agoPost 8
Tyler

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Paypal Sucks

I lost over $850 with paypal. Never use them again. They protect the crooks, their attitude sucks, and they lie through their teeth. When you get burned, you will learn the hard way.

Tyler

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03-14-2003 01:19 AM  14 years agoPost 9
TexasAirMedic

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works great

I've used for almost 1.5 years, and have used it hundreds of times, both in sending and receiving money .. I don't use for really large transactions but have NEVER had a problem yet. And if anything were to happen by SOME chance you can immediately change your account(s). I too use it on my website to bill customers via credit card.

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03-14-2003 01:49 AM  14 years agoPost 10
HeliChris

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Why don’t you explain your situation more precisely, so we can all understand what happened between you and PayPal or you and the seller.
Chris

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03-14-2003 01:50 AM  14 years agoPost 11
Tyler

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Sure, just try to reverse a transaction gone bad. Then they will tell you to wait 7 days to contact the other party involved in the deal. Then you will be forced to wait for 30 days to see if they refuse to communicate. Then comes the 60-90 investigation. Then comes the letter from paypal saying that they cannot get the other party to respond, either. Then another 30 days to write a form letter that says, "yes, the other party is faulty. You are right, they are not cooperating." Next comes all the phone calls to imaginative departments. Each conversation and employee I spoke to was documented, including their employee ID and/or extension numbers. The next phone call will reveal that those individuals either quite, were transfered, or simply never exhisted. Every call goes undocumented in their system, even when they say they are documenting it. Be sure to ask them to read back exactly what they typed, I found out they do a whole lot of key banging but cannot read what they recorded because THEY DON'T. Then comes the false promise to forward the case to a case investigator in California. The next call revealed they don't have an investigative team.

I was told the other party emptied their accounts and ran with multiples of ten thousands of dollars, but they cannot reveal any of his information due to the user privacy policies.

Paypal will tell you that if the individual that screwed YOU did not personally attack or take money from PAYPAL, then they have no reason to pursue or help you pursue the thief. Paypal will only prosecute and ivestigate those that steal from Paypal, not those that steal from others THROUGH Paypal.

Good luck,
Tyler

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03-14-2003 01:56 AM  14 years agoPost 12
greger

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I have never had a problem, and like mentioned previously, all pay pal does it send money to somebody that you specify... unless they never got the money you shouldn't have a problem with pay pal.. if you want to protect yourself on online deals use escrow when you feel it necessary.

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03-14-2003 02:09 AM  14 years agoPost 13
Blair

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Get a life!

Here we go again....

Chances are..if you got "taken" while using Paypal you would have been "taken" anyways.

It's not Paypal's fault you didn't do your homework...don't cry to them
because you got taken....they just make it easier for a cautious person to buy his gear.

7 years buying stuff on the internet spanning hundreds of purchases and I haven't been "taken" yet.

Paypal rocks!

Blair

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03-14-2003 02:59 AM  14 years agoPost 14
eddie13231

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I never have made any big purchases via paypal, especially through a site like RR. Don't take me wrong, most people here are honest, but there really are so many vairables that I really don't want to risk $200 on something I can pay 220 for a new product with absolutely no risk.

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03-14-2003 03:03 AM  14 years agoPost 15
Tyler

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Good for the almighty Blair

Hey everyone, Blair has a life. Wish I did.

Also wish I had my money back, but learned my lesson. Losers are famous for learning lessons, or is it the other way around? Losers don't learn lessons, they just keep hitting the repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, repeat button, ......

You obviously don't get my point, do you? PAYPAL WILL NOT HELP YOU IF YOU RUN INTO TROUBLE. I never said I would not have been screwed if I sent a money order instead. I simply don't want anyone to develop a false sense of security in Paypal. PAYPAL HARBORS THIEVES AND PROTECTS THEM. PAYPAL LIES THROUGH THEIR TEETH. I never said I didn't make a mistake. Keep these two facts straight before slinging your infinite wisdom and endless haughtiness. Please tell me one way your comments have helped in this forum.

Call that whining and selfish if you must. I will get back to studying my homework now, Blair. Let's see, freshman "How to identify a lying dirtbag, as they all must be the same, and they ALL stick out like a sore thumb, session 101". At least I have educated someone in the risks of using paypal. Perhaps I have caused one person to go back and re-read the users policy of Paypal. I sure hope so.

Now, perhaps those out there that have actually met me or done business with me would care to reveal or verify if I actually have a life.

Tyler

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03-14-2003 04:28 AM  14 years agoPost 16
JEraptor

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I do not believe TYLER was whining or crying about his ordeal, but he responded that he had no luck with Paypal and when someone asked for details he provided them. In fact I think TYLER has taken the blow from that COWARDLY THIEF admirably. Or maybe he has simply been too busy working, flying, buying a very nice house, starting a family, and earning a Master's Degree to spend much time complaining or writing sensless replies here on RR.

I had once thought like it seems Kino (who posted this thread) does, that Paypal offered some degree of security.

After seeing Tyler's ordeal it is very obvious that there is no security with online trading. This is because anonimity is relatively easy to maintain on the http://WWW.

Sure paypal may have helped if the crook still had his money in his paypal account but by the time paypal did any investigating at all, that guy had surely left nothing.

I have seen it on Ebay, RCO, and RR. These dishonest people will get a username and sell ficticious merchandise or simply misrepresent their merchandise and sell it for more than it is worth. They will make a few sales and when they start getting bad reviews or a lot of questions asked they will simply disappear and poof............new username complete with new false address, phone number, and excuses for both. We as buyers fall for these schenanigans for 2 reasons.

1. We all want to believe in the goodness of others.
2. We are sometimes soo desperate for that "good deal" that we are blind to signs that may be there or simply don't look hard enough for those signs.

We all know it is best to check up on a seller's references as well as give them a call and talk person to person (TYLER SPOKE TO THIS SELLER ON THE PHONE) but in the online marketplace today, EVERYONE is too impatient to allow the time for that kind of stuff. I have missed out on a few deals here on RR because someone else responded to an ad as I was typing my Email.
I am sure dishonest sellers are well aware of the competetiveness among buyers driving us to "bid first and ask later". I am also sure they know how to encourage this behavior and capitolize on it.

As long as we do not have the opportunity to respond VOILENTLY to those who wish/try to screw us, there will always be crooks who will continue to try and take our money.

It seems that paying with a M.O may be more secure than Paypal because at least there is proof of where it went and who cashed it and from what I understand, the USPS has more power than Paypal when it comes to prosecuting those that use it's service to defraud people.

I now have my flame suit on.

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03-14-2003 05:17 AM  14 years agoPost 17
Raeland

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I ran into my first problem about a month ago with a purchase on e-bay. The guy had around 5000+ feedback and a lot of negative, I overlooked the negative comments. The guy e-mailed me a USPS tracking number and it turned out that the package was never shipped. Paypal found the seller at fault and refunded my money that was paid as an instant transfer.

Anyways I learned something new and the postmaster didn't even know the exact meaning of "Manifest Acknowledgement".

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03-14-2003 06:23 AM  14 years agoPost 18
rkelder

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You've just got to consider Paypal is a middle man, like eBay they offer a so called protection and it means nothing. The only way the two are safe is using a credit card that has protection, just keep in mind Paypal gets caught in the middle when using that card and will suspend your account when you file with your CC company.

Back to the basics, know your seller, insure the shipment and 99.9% of the time it'll be a smooth transaction.

References are very helpful and when they want a wire transfer or Western Union, they are usually after a quick buck at your expense!

I use Paypal multiple times a day to purchase and sell, I think it's a great service, but agree that there is no safety net there as implied and customer service is non-existent, other than that it's great!

Ray

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03-14-2003 06:33 AM  14 years agoPost 19
Zach Sparks

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03-14-2003 09:03 AM  14 years agoPost 20
Kino

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Navan, Ireland

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Thank you to the people capable of reading and understanding the question for answering (JEraptor,TYLER,Raeland)

Chris
Fair question, but there is no details just a question directed at people who may have details

Blair
If your life is so full why do you feel the need to talk about something you know nothing about?

Raeland
You seem to be the only one here with the experience to answer the question could you please tell us how you went about the process of retrieving your money through paypal.


P.S. 46 successful paypal transactions and counting
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