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03-12-2003 07:20 PM  14 years agoPost 1
eric_b

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This is a log of my project to fit a Toys R Us plastic toy Hughes 500 onto a Hawk Sport helicopter. This has been done by others before me, but interest from other modelers persuaded me to document my project.

The fuselage is a plastic toy, which comes mostly assembled, painted and detailed. It's made in a couple different versions, and available at Toys R Us toy stores or online.

There are 4 versions, 3 of which are available on the 21st Century Toys Online page.

Police - $30
http://store4.yimg.com/I/21ct-store_1726_9114639

Fire - $40
http://store4.yimg.com/I/21ct-store_1726_9097111

Vietnam Air Cavalry - $35
http://store4.yimg.com/I/21ct-store_1726_9023204

And the Little Bird Gunship - about $80 - available at toys r us
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...4#more-pictures

More info that I've found on similar projects:
http://www.y-t-g.com/ah6convert.html

A few videos of a completed heli - I'm sorry but I can remember exactly who's model this is... Michael someone I think, so if this is your model, speak up and take credit. (right-click and save-as to view)
http://www.infinitefish.com/eric_b/ah6_littlebird_1.mpg
http://www.infinitefish.com/eric_b/ah6_littlebird_2.mpg
http://www.infinitefish.com/eric_b/ah6_littlebird_3.mpg

This looked cool, so I ordered the Ultimate Soldier toy copter direct from 21st Century Toys online. I bought the Vietnam Air Cavalry Helicopter - only $35 + $10 shipping.

http://store.yahoo.com/21ct-store/u...s-aircraft.html

I plan to put a Hawk Sport into it, since Hawk mechanics apparently fit the best. The detail on this toy is pretty neat - rivets, panel lines, etc. I've already lightened some of it, and the body, minus the cockpit, rotorhead, tail rotor, tail boom webbing, and some other bulkheads, weighs 2.8 pounds. There is more weight to lose, though. I imagine that it will fly better with a 46 than a 32. I think I'll try it with a 32 first.


This is the model, assembled as supplied.


Above are the parts I plan to use.


These are the parts I've removed and don't plan to use.


A picture of the body with an OS 32 for size comparison. I don't plan to use this recoil start OS 32, just the regular 32.


Plenty of room inside, and more webbing to dremel out.


I've already dremeled the webbing inside the boom halves.


A preliminary weigh-in. The scale reads 2.8 pounds. So far all I've done is remove the cockpit, bulkheads, and rotors leaving me with the body parts that I'll use. I've lightened the boom, but still have more weight to lose in the main body section.

Now I need to order the Hawk Sport and see how this is going to shape up. I'm curious to see for myself what a $160 heli can offer.

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03-12-2003 07:26 PM  14 years agoPost 2
FinnDave

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Interesting project, please keep posting news of it as it progresses

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-12-2003 07:33 PM  14 years agoPost 3
sodflyer

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Looks like a neat project! Might have to build one too! Jeff.

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03-12-2003 07:54 PM  14 years agoPost 4
extremeflying

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cool

and i love that video that the guy made i might have to do one myself. i like the look of the little bird better . still dont kow which one is cooler vietnam or little bird but lil bird costs a lot more than the vietnam one Arn't they the same ??? just the look right ? i might get the vietname one and paint it black

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03-12-2003 08:05 PM  14 years agoPost 5
eric_b

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The little bird is black, and includes the rocket pods and machine guns. But it is quite a bit more expensive. I decided to try the Vietnam version. If it flies well, I can add the guns and rockets later - they're easy to make.

I also like the fire version - it would be cool to motorize the stretcher and have it raise and lower.

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03-12-2003 10:03 PM  14 years agoPost 6
extremeflying

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guns ?

how are u gonna make the guns ?

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03-13-2003 09:37 AM  14 years agoPost 7
Al Magaloff

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Hey Eric. Nice project, and thanks for the documentation of it. Do you think the Raptor pitch arm would fit?

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03-13-2003 01:32 PM  14 years agoPost 8
eric_b

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A Raptor doesn't fit without butchering up the body. The pics I've seen of this fuse on Raptors convinced me that it was not a good idea. The tail boom is at a different height requiring the boom to be cut and installed at an angle. The front windshield section also has to be canted upwards. In short - it looks terrible. With the Hawk you can just slide in the mechanics and leave the body as-is, and the helicopter retains it's form.

Guns?? A bit of K&S tubing, some lego pieces, scrap plastic and junk, jute twine and cable ties, a bit of glue and a dab of paint and... voila! Guns and rocket pods. Trust me, it will look good. I'll add guns and rocket pods on this one after I get it flying.

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03-13-2003 02:12 PM  14 years agoPost 9
Helimike

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Eric would you ( or anyone else) know if a Sceadu will fit in the toy Hugges ?
Also I ordered the veitnam version, I would rather have had the police version but did not see it on the site. Did I miss somthing?

Michael

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03-13-2003 02:54 PM  14 years agoPost 10
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this just may fit the bill

you know, this setup just may be heavy enough to make a 4 bladed rotor head work better (Century part #cn1114),,, multi bladed heads are sensitive to cyclic, so a heavy heli would help over-come that problem,,, I've been wanting a 30 size scaller, but there is always something I'm not happy with on the scalers that are available in the 30 size, so this just may fit the bill ,,, and I have a brand new OS 46 just waiting for use...

fuselage......................... $35
Hawk Sport ................. $160
4 bladed head..............$220
4 main blade set.............$90
swash plate follower.......$50
.............................total....$455

mmmm,,, now I'm wondering how a 5 bladed tail would look on this ??


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03-13-2003 05:24 PM  14 years agoPost 11
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I have built a couple of these Toys R Us bodys and they really do look great. Be sure to brace the landing gear because it cant support the weight of the heli. Both I have done I used a Shuttle chassis and it fit like a glove. I also tried it with a Nexus, this was alittle tougher and it wasnt as clean. Have fun!

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03-13-2003 07:27 PM  14 years agoPost 12
extremeflying

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landing gear

hi i have a question how do i make the landing gear stronger ? what materials do i use and how much will it cost and where can i find it ?

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03-13-2003 08:11 PM  14 years agoPost 13
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Century makes an all metal landing gear for this size/scale Hughes 500, see link, scroll down 2/3 of the page,,,

http://centuryheli.com/newitems/index.html

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03-13-2003 10:23 PM  14 years agoPost 14
Firehawk

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The bottom of the gear is hollow. I used two pieces of small cable that I bent to fit in to hollow spot across from one skid to another. One on the front of the skids and one toward the back. Then JB welded the cable into the skids. It doesnt look bad at all and has survived many hard landings.

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03-14-2003 12:36 AM  14 years agoPost 15
bellecrank

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Toy's or Us'

I saw one at a Fun Fly last summer. The flyer said it was quite heavy for a. Once it started to descend it took a lot to stop it, so he always kept his descent very gradual - much like a fixed pitch.

I had a F/K Hughes 500E on a Shuttle a number of years ago, it only weighed in at 7 lbs. 12 oz. so it flew with fair reserve on the 32SX but was not so nimble with the older OS32F.

So please let us know what the final weight is and how it flies at that weight (10 lbs is a lot for 550mm blades to lift and maneuver even 8.5lbs is a bit excessive). Your hover pitch at 1600 rpm will probably have to be close to 8 to 8.5 degrees. As the 32 can pull about 9 to 9.5 comfortably, that will only leave you 0.5 to 1.0 degrees to climb or maneuver with. That is why it can be much like a fixed pitch heli to fly.

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03-14-2003 01:31 AM  14 years agoPost 16
Firehawk

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Bellecrank, you are right it is a bit heavy but not impossible to fly. Its really kind of fun because you have to be real careful about how you maneuver especially on decent. This makes you fly the heli scale like and it looks really smooth. Just my 2 cents.

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03-14-2003 03:17 AM  14 years agoPost 17
55crownvic

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I hate to be a copycat, but that Hughes 500 is such an awsome looking heli that I cant resist. So I ordered a Fire-Rescue Hughes. I already have a TT39 from my 30V2 that I will use. That might give it more oomph to carry the load......Dave

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03-15-2003 04:56 AM  14 years agoPost 18
XLFLYER

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Dave and Eric when will you guys be bringing these birds out to the field?
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03-15-2003 05:33 AM  14 years agoPost 19
oh6a

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What a Vietnam Hughes 500a looks like

Go to my gallery and you can see some pictures of what a 500a series LOH, it has a V-type tail fin's and not a T-type tail. We did not have any T-type at all. The type of mounted weapon system we had was the XM-27A1 mimi-gun. Fire rate 2000-4000 rounds a minute, you could put a lot of holes in someone real quick. Plus we flew with door gunners too.

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03-15-2003 05:50 AM  14 years agoPost 20
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oh6a,,, something els was confirmed from those 2 photos, something I all ready knew, on the full size heli the main rotor and blades are lower than the scalers, that's because of the way the RC pod and boom heli is made, on the RC heli the main rotor is much higher,,, I guess we could shorten our main shaft..

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