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03-12-2003 12:29 AM  14 years agoPost 1
mizcroft

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Hi all.
Yes Im still here! Stop rolling your eyes and cursing under your breath
OK I found a couple used heli's and am wanting your opinions on them. Remember I am completely new and am going to be breaking it. If not via crashes then by getting frustrated and jumping on it. So heres what I got so far:
Spider XL about $270
JR Vigor Heli with MDS .60 motor, JR 783 computer radio, Hitec High Speed 605bb servos, JR R600 Receiver, JR G400 Gyro about $400
Kyosho Nexus 30 with .32 SXH Nitro engine, Futaba 6XH super radio, 4x Futaba S9202 servos, 1x Futaba S148 servo, onboard guage, reserve fuel tank about $400.
I also found a RC Aerial Filming Platform STARTING AT ONLY $10,000!! Whatever!
Also someone notified me that there are used heli's here. Where would I go to find those? I have only had time to go through less than half of the websites that were sent to me so it was probably one of them.
BTW Ive noticed a few of the persons here have a signature line...something about the Dark Side. Whats up with that? Star Wars fans or something else.?
Thanks for your time.

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03-12-2003 12:42 AM  14 years agoPost 2
fitenfyr

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Number 2 or 3

I assume you got some of that off E-bay. Keep in mind unless those are buy it now prices you won't get them for that price.
The Ergo is a good deal and the Nexus is a good starter.
Go to the Classifieds section at the bottom of the main page to find the items for sale.

Jason Stiffey
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03-12-2003 12:50 AM  14 years agoPost 3
rockcrawler

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Make yourself happy and get a raptor v2.

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03-12-2003 12:56 AM  14 years agoPost 4
SolarXtreme

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also found a RC Aerial Filming Platform STARTING AT ONLY $10,000!!
LMAO that guy still hasen't sold that? That things has been on there forever.

Go to the Classified section at the bottom right of the home page and click Classified - Helicopters (or click here: http://runryder.com/forumdisplay.htm?forumid=23). I have seen some really good deals on helis here at RR but you don't find too many complete packages (you may need to still by a TX and a receiver crystal). And of course you will need all the field support equipment as well. I would stay away from E-Bay if you can because you are competing against uninformed buyers that will be willing to pay out the nose for anything.

If you are still looking for a simulator I have one I can sell ya with a Futaba TX cable for 25$ shipped. It is the AeroFly simulator which does not support Windows 2000 or XP but if you have an earlier version of Windows it should work fine. There is also a free simulator out on the web called FMS. Here is the link: http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html

Welcome to the R/C heli community and good luck with your findings.
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03-12-2003 01:03 AM  14 years agoPost 5
Obsessive

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If those are your only choices, the Vigor package is the best of the lot. You'll be much happier with a computer radio (such as the 783). It has multiple model memory; you can set a basic program, copy it to another model name, and tweak it. If you program something you don't like and can't remember where you were, you simply go back to the copy that you never screwed around with.

However, as rockcrawler suggests, I would recommend a Raptor 30V2 with TT39 engine. Why? They are simple to assemble, fly very well for a plastic helicopter, and they are one of the simplest and least expensive cost-wise to repair after a mishap....and believe you me, you'll have them. As I said before, you're likely to bash it about 6 times the first year.

SPEND TIME ON A SIMULATOR! And don't just fly around, practice with purpose....Like "Today, I'm going to practice hovering tail-in"...and do ONLY that EVERY day for about two hours (yeah, boring). Then, "Today, I'm going to practice hovering looking at the sides (left/right).....repeat........"Today, I'm going to practice nose-in"....etc.

You get the picture....FOCUS. Get comfortable looking at the machine from odd angles. There are tricks to learn other things along the way.

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03-12-2003 01:25 AM  14 years agoPost 6
eddie13231

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Ok ya, spend like 1200 the first time and get good electronics with a decent 30 sized heli, don't buy used stuff either, unless you know the person and he is honest. You also will know nothing about the mechanics of a heli if it's used, buy a kit. It is hard to tell if a heli is good by looking at it as a beginner. I would NOT buy a heli off ebay. There are some really crappy sellers that sell broken stuff and also some people on there that are idiots and pay more for that stuff that the same thing new from heliproz. My reccomendation:
9CHF total package (you don't need PCM on a 30 sized, I don't like PCM anyway because it hides interferance)
GY401 w/ 9253 (good gyro you can use on a 60 sized incase you want to upgrade)
Raptor 30 v2 KIT with bearing upgrade (ok build the kit and ask questions. You should know and learn about stuff incase you crash.)
Field equipment will cost about 150 with all the stuff.

It's about 1200 for that setup. If you can't afford it, buy used stuff but only from people that are honest and won't screw you over, because you don't know what to look for in a heli.

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03-12-2003 01:45 AM  14 years agoPost 7
mizcroft

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Vroom Vromm Wahh WAAAAAAAHHHHH

Sorry about the subject line. Was trying to sound like a engine. Someone told me to purchase a small plane and get the hang of the remote before I get a heli. What do ya guys think of that? Yes or he's probably into model trains. I think I should do what I said (well actually what most of you said) and get a sim and a affordable heli I can beat the crap out of.

As far as ebay goes Im quite aware of what goes on there. Im a seller hehe. But thanks for the look out.

I want a sim but there is no way I can spend a couple hours on a daily basis on it! See that is what worries me about it. I sell real estate, am the office administrator, do all the spread sheets, maintain the web site, am learning escrow, am a single parent and am trying to plan a wedding. The only available time I have is when Im asleep. I could probably spend 10 or 15 min a day on one. Thats why I want a used POS that I can break, cause I dont have the time to learn how to fly one. BUT YES I DO WANT TO! Now its turned into a mission. Before I was kinda interestered. The more someone tells me I cant do something the more hard headed I become about doing it :P Before you guys know it I will be a master (or is that mistress?) and showing up at your tournament and matches. - Laura

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03-12-2003 01:52 AM  14 years agoPost 8
eddie13231

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10-15 is fine. Just pratice like 10-15 for a month untill you save up 1200 then go for it. The more time you take, the less mistakes you will make. I recommend this site too :
http://www.raptortechnique.com

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03-12-2003 02:46 AM  14 years agoPost 9
tonysrepair

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Laura,

Once you buy a realflight G2 you won't be able to leave it alone . You could install it at work. I would suggest buying new with the heli (people sell things for a reason . You could buy a raptor 30 v2 with an engine for 279.00 at http://WWW.cyberheli.com right now .If you have the sim forget the plane . You can learn to fly those on G2 also .

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03-12-2003 02:53 AM  14 years agoPost 10
JohnnyRotor

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Laura

Hi, if I had to choose one of the helis you mentioned, I would get the Vigor. I have seen all the helis that you have said and without a doubt the Vigor is the best. Also whatever your decsion I would take some one with you that has a mechanical understanding of helicopters so he or she can look it over and see what it might need. Good luck Laura.

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03-12-2003 05:08 AM  14 years agoPost 11
FinnDave

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Hard to recommend a Vigor to someone who has no experience and expects to break it, not cheap to fix! I'd have to join the chorus saying 'Raptor, Raptor'...

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-12-2003 05:28 AM  14 years agoPost 12
JohnnyRotor

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Finndave

If you read correctly what I said (if I had to choose one of the helis you mentioned, I would get the Vigor) Raptor was not a choice. By the way I started with an Xcell Gasser!

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03-12-2003 06:00 AM  14 years agoPost 13
FinnDave

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True enough, OF THE HELIS MENTIONED, the Vigor is by far the best heli, but perhaps not the best model for a beginner with a limited budget! Of the helis mentioned, I would have to go with the Nexus. Shame she didn't mention a Raptor, though, I've had both and the Raptor is far superior.

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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03-12-2003 07:50 AM  14 years agoPost 14
HiroboEric

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Laura, Perhaps you should try to fly one of these little machines first with someone that already has experience and so know how. It would really be a good idea to get an idea first before you start spending mis-directed money. There are a number of people around that I'm sure would be more than happy to show you the way. Airplanes are a good way to start as they show you some aspects of flight with more ease than a helicopter. Generally every official club has people and some times aircraft on hand to teach you how to fly free of charge. Good Luck

Eric Pacheco, AirWorksRC.com

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03-12-2003 01:56 PM  14 years agoPost 15
Obsessive

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Laura,

OK, perhaps I got a bit carried away with the "two hours" per night.

Point is, get as much time on the sim. as you can. There is no subsitute for the real thing, but we (my heli cohorts and I) consider sim. time as "30 second minutes"; meaning that 2 hours of sim. time is like flying the real thing for an hour.

You'll realize after a mishap or two that your sim. time has truly paid off; your reflexes will have developed faster, and the sim. basically pays for itself the first time you don't dump your machine in a dumb-thumb accident.

The sims do work on a laptop, so you could put it there, or, put it on your computer at work, close the office door, and fly. People are always going to bitch about their escrow being wrong, nothing you're going to be able to do about that anyway!

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03-12-2003 07:20 PM  14 years agoPost 16
scottc

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miss laura how you doing.when you get the sim dont try the real thing till you have about 30 plus hours on it,,so keep track of how much time spend on it 10 here 10 there dosent mater just keep track,,trust me on this one...lol..buying used on rr is pretty dood ive bought and sold with good results to...scott

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03-12-2003 11:51 PM  14 years agoPost 17
Al Magaloff

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OK....Tell me what ya think OK, I think I will. I think helicopters require a lot more time and effort, than you are willing to donate. Citizenship in the helicopter community requires dedication. This is not a cute little toy that you pull out and doink with every now and then. I think unless you are willing and able to give what is required, you should stick with the plank, as you will be doing the helicopter community a disservice.

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03-13-2003 12:47 AM  14 years agoPost 18
ez-flier

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"The Dark Side"

Hey hey hey Mizcroft, "the dark side" was invented by a man named The wasp. He thought up the dark side, not because he's obsesed with star wars, at least i don't think he is! , but because he flies a brand of helicopters called CENTURY. He, and many others, call century the dark side because it is in a way, an unsung hero... Not to many people appreciate century helis, but those that do aren't dissapointed....by the way, Century has some very nice, but cheap helicopters....go to http://www.centuryheli.com
You won't be disapointed!!!
Aaron

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03-13-2003 01:25 AM  14 years agoPost 19
Al Magaloff

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The Hawk Sport looks like a nice piece.

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03-13-2003 01:55 AM  14 years agoPost 20
rlm

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Here is something that might be of interest to you. It is a larger size than you are looking for, but it is good quality. For example a set of replacement glass main blades are less than $100. This is a complete package including a JR PCM 10 SX radio and a RealFlight G2 Simulator. This is the list. I can e-mail pictures if you would like. I would like to sell it because I'm expecting to be layed-off in the near future.
Thank you,
Rick Millen 303-693-8957

FS:Vario Kobold/Ready To Fly!
For Sale! Vario Kobold with Rossi 11.5 engine and scale muffler (kit # 866). Includes following electronics:
3- JR 4131 servos (Aileron, Elevator, and Collective)
Set up for 3 servo 120 CCPM.
1- JR 2700G Rudder servo.
1- JR 537 Throttle servo.
1- JR 649S Receiver PCM on channel 18.
1- CSM 540 Heading Hold Gyro.
1- JR "Extra" 1800 mah receiver battery.
Vario 3D glass blades, metal clutch, 6 blade cooling fan.
Helicopter is 2 years old and in good shape. Engine has been run since new on 15% Cool Power. Ready to Fly!! This is almost a Skyfox. (Would need metal freewheel, carbon shaft tail drive, and Skyfox canopy).
Adding JR 10SX PCM Transmitter on Channel 18 with charger and aluminum case. Also Real Flight G2 w/ Futaba Transmitter (serial connection).
Will accept USPS money order. I will pay shipping and insurance.I will consider signing up for PayPal. Can send photos by e-mail if interested.NEW PRICE IS $900 for complete package. Must sell

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