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11-30-2007 04:37 AM  9 years agoPost 1
Burlyman38

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FIrst off, my thanks to :

Fenderstrat, Tryan02, DougsRC, and Gregor99

For your help in setting up my first heli. Sooooo, this is what i got to get started. Let me know what you think.

HBK2 standard package with
rX, 1000mAh lipo, stock brush motor, charger

Then I went a little crazy...

EK2-0704A Head lock gyro
EK5-0005 3900kv brushless motor
EK1-0350 ESC 25A
EK1-0353 Brushless motor gear
EK5-KingII CNC Package

2200mAh 20c Lipo

5 sets main blades
4 flybars
3 sets feathering shafts
2 set tail rotor blades
2 main shafts
1 skid set
1 vertical fin set
1 main gear set
1 tail boom set
1 extra belt

2 5.5mm nut drivers

EK2-0905A Esky flight sim box set

grand total $512.00

I think that should get me started and Fenerstrat linked me to RADD's training.

I think i will use all stock to get me through the biggest part of RADD, before I start adding the extra stuff.

As for the flight sim, I think i am safe in assuming that the flight sim box that i got will come with some cheap software, sooo, what should i do about that one.

I am open to all comments now on if i did good or bad, or whatever else i should also get.

RIght now i am just waiting for the mail to come, of course i am having this delivered to work, NNNOOOOO way my wife is going to see that invoice. lol. I thought it had already come and was going to be there last week when i came home from my last job, but come to find out the order was put on hold because my credit card company that i was a fraudulent purchase so it didnt pay and they didnt ship. Otherwise i would be playing RIGHT NOW, instead of writting about what I ordered!! AAARRRGGGHHH!!! I just want to fly, and crash, and rebuild, and fly again. it sounds like so much fun!

can not wait in troy, il.

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11-30-2007 06:22 AM  9 years agoPost 2
Gregor99

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Cool! You're going to love it. So about the list, very good. Comments below:

EK2-0704A Head lock gyro: OK to start with but you'll probably want to upgrade later.

EK1-0353 Brushless motor gear: That's an 11 tooth pinion. Too fast for the 3900. The 3900 spins faster than say a 3100 and has less power than the Esky 3800. I'm thinking a 10t would be the most you'd want to go with that motor. Maybe use a 9t to start with. Also, don't waste your time with the stock brushed motor. Go ahead and do the the BL upgrade before the first flight.

EK5-KingII CNC Package: There's some bling! I'm jealous. As you said, keep it stock until stuff gets broken, wears out or you get tired of the slop.

2200mAh 20c Lipo: Well, could be a little large for the HBK2. No mentioned of a charger. I think that's a must, either a Cellpro 4s or the new 10s when it comes out in January.

5 sets main blades: I've only gone through one set of blades. It wasn't a hard hit bit I also lost the feathering shaft, and the main shaft. Seems like a good practice to keep equal stock on all 3 parts.

4 flybars: I know these are cheap, but they are soft can be straightedn by hand. I'd only order 2.

2 set tail rotor blades: Do these break? I've never had a problem with tail blades. Maybe I'm lucky.

2 5.5mm nut drivers: Dude, the first time you pull the feathering shaft you are going to thank your lucky stars you ordered these. I have one and kinda wish I had bought two. Why didn't I buy two? Well, you see the CNC head doesn't use the crazy nuts so you won't need these over priced nut drivers when you bling it up.

EK2-0905A Esky flight sim box set: Looks like it includes FMS. I have Phoenix and find it to excellent. I'd check out the sim forum hear to get more bias commentary.

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11-30-2007 06:38 AM  9 years agoPost 3
Gregor99

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The CNC head doesn't use the crazy nuts so you won't need these over priced nut drivers when you bling it up.
I could be wrong on this. I heard the CNC head uses a different feathering and doesn't use the nuts. I was just looking closely at the pics and it looks like the same one to me. When your kit arrives you'll have to tell us if the feathering shaft and bolts are the same as one on the plastic head.

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11-30-2007 01:40 PM  9 years agoPost 4
DougsRC

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I agree with Gregor, Keep the stock plastic head going thru the learning curve, its very stable. Its tempting to put on the CNC right away cause it looks so nice(Resist, Grasshopper) Keep us updated on your progress, the journey is FUN, there WILL be frustration but that only makes the good stuff even Sweeter.

Blade 230s--V977--Trex 450 sport-- McpxBL---NaNo cps--Smart---T---pant

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11-30-2007 03:19 PM  9 years agoPost 5
tryan02

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Dont crash and you wont need any of those parts. You look like your trying to be a dealer with all those parts.

you should have more parts than needed but there will probably be that oddball part that breaks on the first crash but thats the heli life. Lot of good stuff mentioned already so I will just throw in my 2 cents. I would take the brushed motor and gyro out of the heli when it arrives. the brushless will provide more power and a HH gyro will give you one less thing to fight as a newbie. That pinion is way to hot for you. 10t is too much speed for learning 8 or 9 for hovering will do. I used an 8t when I started on a hdx300 3800rpm it was mushy to my flying skills as I was already hovering with a little FF but the heli just floats there in front of you in a hover. So I jumped up to 10 thats where I am now and love it But I was already used to the twitchy jumpy BCPP therefore handling a rocket like the king on a 10t was easy for me.

Good Luck and welcome to the fun its gonna be hard but every little 10 sec hover will keep you coming back. I hope you have a wife girlfriend or someone to show off those 10second hovers too it makes it that much better.

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11-30-2007 04:33 PM  9 years agoPost 6
DougsRC

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You probably won't need them for a while but I will mention it anyway. The main gear is pretty strong but if you happen to crash and not shut the throttle down right away, the spinning pinion will hog out a chunk of your main gear, its even worse in idle up mode. Second, You might want to get a mainframe just in case. The weakest point in the frame is were the motor mounting plate attaches to the main body of the frame, I've gone thru a couple, but like I said it will probably be awhile. It's not a good feeling being grounded waiting for a part to arrive in the mail!

Blade 230s--V977--Trex 450 sport-- McpxBL---NaNo cps--Smart---T---pant

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12-01-2007 04:30 PM  9 years agoPost 7
Gregor99

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I just occured to me that there's one thing conspicously missing from the list.

Training Gear!

I'm not sure if that an accidental or deliberate omission. Personally I'm not really a fan, but I know a lot of people use them. When I was learning on the Blade, I could never hover smoothly until I took off the training gear. I've never put them on the HBK2.

Maybe they make sense on the larger helis where the extra weight doesn't make as big of a differnece. But for the smaller helis they tend to influence the flight characteristics far too much.

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12-01-2007 05:12 PM  9 years agoPost 8
rccarguy

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I could be wrong on this. I heard the CNC head uses a different feathering and doesn't use the nuts
Correct, the alloy head is the same one as used on the Belt CP, the feathering shaft is longer than the standard shaft for the HBK2 and uses allen head screws similar to the Align Trex setup. That said, the shafts are no stronger than the HBK plastic head parts, so buy a few of them when you swap over to the alloy head, they will bend with any rotor blade to non-moving object contact.

You also won't find the shafts for the alloy head under any listing for the HBK2, you'll have to go to the Belt CP parts section to find them, the part number is EK5-0395.

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12-01-2007 08:53 PM  9 years agoPost 9
Gregor99

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So I was right and those wonderful over priced Esky nut drivers won't be needed once you put the CNC head on. The reason I had doubt is if look at the pic of the included parts for the CNC head it looks like the shaft is threaded just like the HBk2. The thought I had was the shaft would need to be hollow which would make it weaker. Seems like the CNC head would have a stronger feathering shaft.

Burlyman, when your parts arrive, can you let us know what feathering shaft is included in the kit? Thanks!

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12-01-2007 09:05 PM  9 years agoPost 10
DougsRC

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Believe or not Gregor, you don't want a stronger spindle shaft on a CNC head. I have a TREX clone CNC head with two severe crashes on it and both times only the spindle and blades were damaged. The spindle is the weak link ,the sacraficial goat if you will. If you had a sronger spindle the more expensive things would start to break like blade grips. Its like back in the Blade CP days eveyone was getting those Plasti-blades, sure the blades never broke but everything else did, I always stuck with the $8.oo dollar woodies, another SAC GOAT !!

Blade 230s--V977--Trex 450 sport-- McpxBL---NaNo cps--Smart---T---pant

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12-01-2007 09:18 PM  9 years agoPost 11
tryan02

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Amen brother plastiblades on a BCPP are you crazy? I used HBK blades once and they were too heavy for the BCPP I tried to say that but nobody believed me. The extra mass on the head wore the swash balllinks. My spindles are fine as long as I dont crash.

No Really I am the club President!!!

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12-02-2007 02:58 AM  9 years agoPost 12
Burlyman38

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Well All,

Once again I am stuck down here in Alabama on a job through this weekend and into tuesday or wednesday. If i am lucky, when I get home from this job the package will be sitting on my desk like a golden gift from the heli gods.

Yes I did not get training gear, not because I dont think i will need them, but i forgot. They were ordered the next day.

I will also let you know about the feathering shaft length with the kit and compared to the CNC parts. Probably not until wednesday or thursday.

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12-02-2007 03:20 AM  9 years agoPost 13
tryan02

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You got esky CNC the spindle is a tube with screws not the threaded rod.
CNC Spindle Shaft for CNC Rotor Head – Belt CP/King V2 EK5-0395

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