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11-29-2007 10:38 PM  9 years agoPost 1
hindsight

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Texas..

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Besides the guys who fly these machines everyday as a job, how do the pro's get so good and master all these tricks.. Do you guys think the bulk of the work is done on the simulator or do they just go through gallon after gallon after gallon after gallon of fuel.. I know I have been working on pyro flips for almost a year and they still suck.. What is the truth here.. I am getting ready to PM some of the pros and ask this very same question..

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11-29-2007 10:52 PM  9 years agoPost 2
beast

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burn fuel. i mean a lot of fuel. i know someone who has been through over 50 cases of fuel this year alone. also a few crash kits and blades on hand for any mishaps.

.Beresford

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11-29-2007 10:54 PM  9 years agoPost 3
Furious Predator

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practice and lots more practice.

Scott Gray for example, burns a lot of fuel and is out flying when ever he can, but he also spends a lot of time on the sim. esspecially in the winter. us canadians dont have the nice all year round flying weather some others enjoy. and he has been flying since he was a wee one.

and others are just natural.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC

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11-29-2007 11:04 PM  9 years agoPost 4
flyboy0413

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50 cases???!!! Holy cow that is a lot of $$$

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11-29-2007 11:06 PM  9 years agoPost 5
BC Don

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Yes. To get to that level you have to "Live" Helis. Folks use a SIM to get stick movement down, then it is burn fuel, burn fuel, then burn more fuel. Get to the point where you can do just about do what you want without looking at it.

Another thing the really good pilots can do is recover from virtually any situation. Areas where us mere mortals have trouble figuring out orientation and what to do they've recovered before we can say "WTF".

Heck, I'm still working on Autos.

Got Money? Send it to me, I'm a Heli Addict.

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11-29-2007 11:08 PM  9 years agoPost 6
JJMAN (RIP)

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The guys I know that are really good (not me) burn alot of fuel. They fly, land, refuel, and fly again, all day, all weekend long and every chance they get. I regularly have been at the field and watched them fly 35 times in one day, then do it again the next day. Plus they have several heli's and also fly other peoples stuff to help out.

Of course, it doesnt hurt as much when you get alot of stuff for free.

JAY HIGGS

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11-29-2007 11:12 PM  9 years agoPost 7
MasterCrasher

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Yep, its just like the fast guys at the RC car track, they pretty much live there and have no other life except work.

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11-30-2007 12:11 AM  9 years agoPost 8
Zaneman007

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Texas - USA

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Sim, Sim, Sim.

My skills improved more in the first three months after I got my sim than the previous year.

Old Guys Rule!

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11-30-2007 12:53 AM  9 years agoPost 9
Rennster

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pay this guy...

http://www.rchelidoctor.com/
and you can fly amongst the best!!! buahaha ahaahha

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11-30-2007 01:47 AM  9 years agoPost 10
bigdad390

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pay this guy...
LOL

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11-30-2007 02:02 AM  9 years agoPost 11
WJackson

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Now thats wrong! funny, but wrong

RIP Roman
Bill Jackson
AlignUSA

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11-30-2007 02:59 AM  9 years agoPost 12
fiveoboy01

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LOL, Manny's a legend now.

Practice, practice till you puke, then practice more.

There might be a small amount of natural talent but I think most of it is learned. Some just learn more quickly than others.

Mikado Logo 400, hopefully ready by spring.

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11-30-2007 03:09 AM  9 years agoPost 13
QuickSilver

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Cherry Hill, New Jersey

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getting real good

Jason Krause will tell you he spent an entire year working on his piroflips and the chaos but the rest of his flying really suffered because that manuver takes so much time to really get it perfect. So don't feel so bad about your piros not looking so great.

Kyle

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11-30-2007 03:13 AM  9 years agoPost 14
Hate_To_Crash

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Near Lake Tahoe

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Practice, Practice, Paractice, Then on rainy days or other half won't let you out to practice again then Sim...

Including myself there are 5 new people in our club http://www.svrw.com

All with-in 6mos are rolls, loops, inverted backwards, pyros, and such..

We burn alot of fuel....

I myself have (own my own Biz) goto our local Fairgrounds next to my shop and fly 2 to 3 batts everyday, then fly on Sundays at the Airpark...

Just keep at it and push yourself far past your comfort zone...

When I get in a rut, I stop for a couple of days and it seems to refresh me.....

Mike

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11-30-2007 03:20 AM  9 years agoPost 15
Ed1955

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Pocono Mountains, PA USA

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I fly on my work breaks and at lunch.......

and if it's daylight when I get home, I fly then also. I'm an electric guy so I do plenty of battery charging to keep these birds in the air. As far as the sim, some will disagree with me but what I've noticed (RealFlight G3.5) about flying on a sim is that it's just plain easier to fly the real RC Heli than it is to fly the same machine on a sim. Granted, there is no little red reset button on my T-Rexs but the feeling difference between the two is huge but as I'm sure you'll agree, we try stuff on the sim that we would never try on our real machines. Just yesterday I was at the field with one of my T-Rex 450's in throttle up which is all new to me and for the life of me, I just couldn't bring myself to try a loop or a flip. I can do it on a sim but in real life, I can actually feel my wallet start to twitch when I just think about it. I'm sure you know the feeling, that feeling of relaxation when it's time to land and change a battery because the stress temporarily ends until you put it up in the sky again. I guess at some point I will be able to relax WHILE I'm flying but I'm a long way from there now and winter is here so the sim is going to get a long hard workout over the snow months here in the mountains.

By the way, most of those guys that you see doing hair raising 3D videos have two things that you and I don't have as much of, Spare Time and Money!

Respectfully,
Ed

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11-30-2007 03:38 AM  9 years agoPost 16
WJackson

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Smyrna, Delaware

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Ive said this before so one more time. Had a conversation with Bobby Watts two years ago and asked him what his secret was. He said sim and lots of it for the "muscle memory" part of the moves. Then burn lots of fuel to get the IRL and the differences between the two down. So in short, stick time. Confidence and the loss of the pucker factor will come when your muscle memory allows you to correct from any orientation.

RIP Roman
Bill Jackson
AlignUSA

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11-30-2007 04:00 AM  9 years agoPost 17
oldboldpilot

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Southern California

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I would add to this discussion the idea that what you practice is also important.

The fundamentals of helis is to be able to hover in any orientation, fly circuits forward, backwards, inverted, and inverted backwards, and auto-rotate from any of the four cardinal starting points to your selected landing point.

After this, you learn the elements of any maneuver: rolls, loops, flips, stall turns - then forwards, backwards, inverted..

Now you are set up to fly anything, really, under control, accurately, and as well as anybody.

In this day of instant gratification, few have the patience to go thru this regimen. Those that do will crash a lot less and fly a hell of a lot better than those who don't.

Helis are Man's Defiance of the Laws of Nature - OCHC

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11-30-2007 04:16 AM  9 years agoPost 18
WJackson

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One more thing, practice the sim like it IS the real thing. Care if you crash , dont ever hit yourself or violate the flight line. Use the sim like a tool, not a toy. Besides that , have fun!

RIP Roman
Bill Jackson
AlignUSA

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11-30-2007 04:26 AM  9 years agoPost 19
fiveoboy01

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Waunakee, WI - USA

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Yep, at first I used to fly all over on the sim, behind and through myself, but then I figured I'd cause a WHOLE lot of problems if I flew like that with the real thing. So now I keep it in front of me at all times.

Mikado Logo 400, hopefully ready by spring.

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11-30-2007 04:33 AM  9 years agoPost 20
rudyy

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E. Amherst, NY

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I would say just take your own pace to master each maneuver .. no rush. You do not need to burn 50 bottles of nitro each year. Just take your own time, and enjoy. This hobby needs a lot of patience and of course respect.

Rudy

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