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11-30-2007 09:38 PM  9 years agoPost 61
GyroFreak

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think it's ridiculous to kill somebody because they steal something.
If I came home and found somebody hauling off my stuff I would not shoot. But I will confront them and if they make a move to harm me or any one near me, then it's going to get real ugly.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-01-2007 12:34 AM  9 years agoPost 62
SSN Pru

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from horn's account, that is exactly what he did, only after telling the 911 operator he would shoot them. By his account, he stepped out side and they made an agressive move towards him...

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12-01-2007 02:33 AM  9 years agoPost 63
GyroFreak

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I also would not make a verbal threat to kill, if they turn away and run, so be it.
EDIT: Although a few shots into the ground would also get their attention !

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-01-2007 01:21 PM  9 years agoPost 64
TachyonDriver

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Gyro - yes it's true. That's why we're not supposed to cement broken glass on the tops of walls or use razor wire around a property because the trespasser could lacerate themselves and the homeowner would be liable. Unless said wall is above a certain height in the first place (I forget the dimension).

Crazy isn't it? The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) stands for Criminal Protection Service now IMHO.

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12-05-2007 05:55 AM  9 years agoPost 65
Inspector Fuzz

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Not yet charged...

Horn has not yet been charged! I predict that he will get off if the case goes to trial. Thank goodness this didn't happen in Austin. I mean, I would be still be glad that the burglars were dead, especially if they were from my town, but there is no way the mamby pamby PC wusses that make up the majority of my city would let Horn go free.
On a side note, the two little darlings whose lives Horn ended WERE career criminals with numerous felony convictions.
ENJOY!

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12-05-2007 02:26 PM  9 years agoPost 66
Pistol Pete

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Joe Horn is no less a criminal than those he willfully decided to kill. He should be prosecuted for manslaughter.

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12-05-2007 02:34 PM  9 years agoPost 67
jjeaster222000

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Joe Horn is no less a criminal than those he decided to kill. He should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
i could not agree more he took two peoples life and it was not any of his business. he should have stayed in the house he was looking for a reson to shoot someone. imo

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12-05-2007 05:17 PM  9 years agoPost 68
Inspector Fuzz

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Stealing stuff is a good reason to shoot someone.
I know this is difficult for the sensitive types who live in a gated community and rarely have to face the calamity of the real world.
Let me try to explain.
If you are standing at the edge of a cliff and you decide to step off, you are going to die, right?
If I put a cage full of hungry Tigers in front of you and tell you that they will eat you if you open the door, then you pretty much deserve what happens to you if you open the door, right?
Well, it is against the law to burglarize peoples homes. Most people don't burglarize homes. Those that do should expect and receive the consequences.
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12-05-2007 05:19 PM  9 years agoPost 69
Inspector Fuzz

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@jesaster

"None of his business".
So can I assume that if you stepped out of your house in the morning and saw someone sodomizing your neighbors child, on his front lawn, that you would just get in your car and drive off? I mean, hey, it's none of YOUR business!
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12-05-2007 05:27 PM  9 years agoPost 70
jjeaster222000

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your neighbors child
a child would be a diffrent story but a bag full of crap is not worth killing someone over

this guy was crazy and he just wanted to shoot someone..

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12-05-2007 05:53 PM  9 years agoPost 71
RonHill

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While I think he should not have gone outside...

And he should not have made the comments he made. I understand why he did what he did. How many of us have been upset and said something along the lines of "I'll kill him".

He was tired of being a victim to a bunch of low life's. He called the police and they were not going to help. So he went to stop them. He told them not to move and he claims they came at him.

He should not have gone outside...He should have taken pictures. But, I do understand and feel no sorrow that the crooks are dead and think he is not guilty of anything wrong.

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12-05-2007 06:01 PM  9 years agoPost 72
Ronald Thomas

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He should not have gone outside...He should have taken pictures. But, I do understand and feel no sorrow that the crooks are dead and think he is not guilty of anything wrong.
It boils down to murder plain and simple. He told the dispatcher he was going to kill them, went outside against the advice of the person on the phone, and then followed up by killing the two guys when they "came at him". At least he does not have any witnesses. Am I glad they are dead...YES, do I think he did anything wrong...YES....Ron

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12-05-2007 06:47 PM  9 years agoPost 73
spog

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This is vigilante behaviour and I don't condone it. Horn could have been half blind, on 12 different medications, drunk, and totally misinterpreted the situation. I don't want those people policing my neighborhood.

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12-05-2007 07:02 PM  9 years agoPost 74
dangtsi

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There needs to be a law which requires deed restrictions making it illegal to protect your neighbors property.

Example: The deed restrictions of this development specify that all residents should not interfere with any activity concerning their neighbors property and family members.

It should be posted at the entrance of all housing developments so that everyone who may enter could be assured no one will interfere concerning their neighbors house and family, etc..

The residents of the development should also be required to provide any tools to all strangers in case they forgot to bring their own. This should include directions on how to operate the tools such as wire cutters, guns, knives, pry bars, etc.. This should also include burglary, rape, murder, and assault.

This would assure that the people who have worked hard to provide for their families could also provide for those who did not wish to work for what they needed. It would also protect people who did not wish to get involved with protection of life or property.

I have had my home broken into and ransacked. I called the police and it took them 45 minutes to arrive. It was a violation of my home and I know how I felt. Simply put, totally violated. I searched my home and found no one.

I also had a drunk in my drive way who was about to create all kinds of problems for my family and myself. I called the police and held him until they arrived which again took 45 minutes. For those of us who live out in the country we have to call 911 and while we are waiting we use 1911 if we need to protect our lives and property.

Those who do not obey our laws and respect us, our rights as individuals, and property owners, need to know and be aware we may fight back in what ever way we feel is necessary under the particular circumstances. I for one have been there and realize what I am capable of doing to protect my family and my property. Every one is entitled to their opinion and this is mine.

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12-05-2007 07:27 PM  9 years agoPost 75
Pistol Pete

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Fuzz wrote...
Stealing stuff is a good reason to shoot someone.
so...since you like extreme analogies...this would also apply to a kid (say he is 8 or 9 years old) stealing at a candy store...do I have this right?

FWIW...I don't live in a gated nor a deed restricted community.

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12-05-2007 07:52 PM  9 years agoPost 76
HotsHabit

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Why do people constantly try to turn a situation into something it is not. This wasn't a kid stealing candy, they were 2 adult males with criminal backgrounds, they were stealing from his neighbors house, they are both 6 feet under where they belong.

You can "what if" this thing to death for the next 200 years if you want. What if there was somone in the house and the 2 guys killed them before robbing the house and leaving? Lets just stick with the facts about what happened.

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12-05-2007 07:57 PM  9 years agoPost 77
jjeaster222000

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so what if it was your son that went down that wrong road and he was talked into breaking in a house and taking some things to sell for a crack rock or something like that and he was shot by someone that had no business to even be outside at the time what would you say then?

it was wrong to break in someones house but it was worse for the man to murder the two guys...

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12-05-2007 07:59 PM  9 years agoPost 78
Pistol Pete

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Lets just stick with the facts about what happened.
yes daddy.

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12-05-2007 08:16 PM  9 years agoPost 79
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I'm all for cleaning up the gene pool, and I'm thankful that some of the dirt in the pool readily reveals itself. Makes it easier to distinguish from the rest and 'scoop out.' I wouldn't kill a man for stealing food -- but I'd readily kill a man after seeing him break in and burglarize my neighbor IF he refused to drop to the ground and freeze on the way out the window -- dirt properly scooped.

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12-05-2007 08:23 PM  9 years agoPost 80
kryptik

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You can "what if" this thing to death for the next 200 years if you want. What if there was somone in the house and the 2 guys killed them before robbing the house and leaving? Lets just stick with the facts about what happened.
Among the wisest of words spoken so far. I too have been robbed, as I waited in line one night at a gas station. Stood there with a shotgun against the side of my head for about ten minutes waiting to decide if the guy was going to end my life because I had no cash on me. I now have a ccw permit, and as I sit here in the waiting room at my local auto service dept, I have my Glock .40 on my side, loaded and ready to go. I have gone on many exploratory missions late at night when hearing out of place noises in my yard. You think I wouldn't kill a man for trying to steal my stuff? If he walked up to me with both hands raised, and said I'm only trying to take something that is not rightfully mine, and I mean you no harm, I may let him leave, or call the cops to come after him. However as this is not usually the case, I have no idea what his intent is, so in the words of a famous rock song...Click, Click, BOOM! If that is your wayward son, I am sorry, and I hope I never have to feel your pain, but your blame needs to fall on his shoulders for making a piss poor decision, not mine. And since we are what if-ing, what if your crack addict son tried to kill me, or someone in my family? Would I have your permission to defend myself then?

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