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11-29-2007 04:07 PM  10 years agoPost 1
jadams

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I am looking for the part number on the NEW oneway bearing from Align. My 1st one that locked is a HF1216.

Also is there a new sleeve? I could only find the H60139 number.

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11-29-2007 04:52 PM  10 years agoPost 2
PilotCK

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Go with these bearings, there have been a lot of topics on this and I find these work well so far. They have been also recommend by others!

http://www.helidirect.com/product_i...roducts_id=1472

I believe this is the link for the new bearing from Align Part# H60021

http://www.align.com.tw/shop/produc...roducts_id=1666

Haven't see it in the states yet!

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11-29-2007 05:37 PM  10 years agoPost 3
Helinutnz

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pretty sure the new align part has the same bearing....it's the hub thats modified....looks different but can't see what they have done to address the problem.

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11-29-2007 06:51 PM  10 years agoPost 4
jadams

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What about the sleeve?

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11-29-2007 06:59 PM  10 years agoPost 5
electriciancarl

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pretty sure the new align part has the same bearing
Nope. The one in the link from Helidirect is better and less expensive.
The upgraded sleeves have "Align" stamped on them.

Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse.

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11-29-2007 10:04 PM  10 years agoPost 6
Helinutnz

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The new hub that align puts out still has the 1216 bearing in it.

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11-29-2007 10:22 PM  10 years agoPost 7
tchavei

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1216 just indicates the bearing type. You will always will have a HF1216... what matters is what factory makes and there are only a few in the world like SKF, INA, etc

However, I would like to make a test with you to confirm a theory. When you put the new bearing and the new sleeve in (the new sleeve should be 12.05mm diameter - not 11.95mm), don't tighten too much the lower jesus bolt. Just snug it without much force.

I did this and I have 110 flights without issues on my stock one way. Kinda sad since I have 3 different (INA, SKF and VXB) one way bearings here waiting for the stock one to fail lol

Tony


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11-29-2007 10:39 PM  10 years agoPost 8
jadams

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I have an old "case" set from my 600n that seized. I was going to put in a bearing from helidirect. I guess I need to measure the sleeve.

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11-29-2007 10:42 PM  10 years agoPost 9
hootowl

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I don't believe the bearing is the issue. Align doesn't make the bearing, Align makes the sleeve. I believe a poorly hardened and poorly designed sleeve is the crux of the one way issue.

Align strikes again with sub-par parts.

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11-29-2007 11:13 PM  10 years agoPost 10
tchavei

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bashing on align.... you you vibrora lover! lol

Tony

Ps - I'm waiting for one too


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11-29-2007 11:17 PM  10 years agoPost 11
eliseer

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To solve the problem completely, try lukerc, but he is not making them anymore this year.

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11-30-2007 03:41 AM  10 years agoPost 12
jadams

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So does anybody know if Align the new sleeve with a diff. part number?

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11-30-2007 03:48 AM  10 years agoPost 13
george0079

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HN6064 is the number for the new one-way shaft and hub assembly

Hell... I can fix that.
Uh oh..
Nope.
It's ***ked!!!
RE-KIT!!!!!

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11-30-2007 05:15 AM  10 years agoPost 14
vteknical

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I believe it the sleeve too. My started intermittently locking up. Spoke with Ed at Grand and he mentioned the new sleeve is thicker.

After closer inspection of the old unit is somewhat distorted. New sleeve on with old bearing for 1 gallon with no problems.

I am using FAG(from Germany)bearing grease.

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11-30-2007 06:08 AM  10 years agoPost 15
WJackson

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I had two oneways fail on me, the Torrington that Hootowl gave me actually cracked the cage and slipped. the other failed by slipping to, but the cage was fine. Murphys law too, always seemed to fail while inverted. I got the Lukes, flew the crap out of it today. Well worth the 50 bucks just for piece of mind.

RIP Roman
Bill Jackson
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11-30-2007 06:34 AM  10 years agoPost 16
Helinutnz

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Look at this topic

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t387652p1/

Where I said

"wondering how many guys are tweaking the one way shaft out of shape by doing the lower jesus bolt up too tight. I have a friend that is a mechanic and he removes the grease and lubes liberally with triflow. He has a theory that too many guys are squeaking the lower jesus bolt up too tight and taking it out of round. That will lock up the bearing for sure. I'm not a mechanic now but used to be and I think it's a sound idea. I did what he did. Neither of us have had any lockups with the stock oneway. He has many many flights on his....me about 15. Now a new oneway from another seller may have looser tolerances so the same problem may not be so apparent. I'm keeping an eye on mine and so far it is smooth as silk"

and here

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t389525p1/

where I said

"dont tighten the lower jesus bolt too much. It will tweak the oneway shaft out of round and the one way will lock up. Original one way here with grease removed and triflow added. No lockups.

Flamesuit on and laced"

Seems the bearing is not the problem and thats why mine hasn't locked up.
It's the original shaft. The newer one solves it. It's not the hub or the bearing. Guys are cranking down on this shaft as it's probably not hard enough and pulling it out of round. The newer one is better but still don't overtighten that lower jesus bolt and remove the grease and lube with triflow.

Not everything has to be cranked down hard....just have a supply of new jesus bolts on hand....they come with a nylock for that reason.

On the sceadu it's a different and better system and thats why it can be cranked down without locking up the oneway through distortion....

So dont buy the new hub or bearing....(which to me looks the same) but have the new shaft and go easy on that hex wrench tiger.

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11-30-2007 02:44 PM  10 years agoPost 17
jadams

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Ok so looking on Align's website..finally loaded. I found a H60018 sleeve for the 600E and a H60139 for the 600N. I am going to assume that the first 600N's had the "older" 600E sleeve that was smaller and now the "new" part for the 600N is the H60139. Has anyone measured this newer part? Is this the one that is 12.05mm?

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11-30-2007 10:08 PM  10 years agoPost 18
jadams

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ok measured the stock sleeve that just came in my new kit, it and 1 older one measured out to 12.00mm . the one in my new case set measures to 12.05mm. now just have to find out if the H60139 sleeve measures to 12.05mm.

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12-05-2007 01:36 PM  10 years agoPost 19
jadams

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Ok, I was going thru a new kit and was trying to figure out the whole one way thing. I noticed that the new one way case is now shaped differently then my original. Also has anyone noticed that Align is putting the new parts in the kits? I have (from the looks of it) the new oneway, new landing skids and the new HD plastic fan.
The new skids have antenna mounts on the top and bottom of them.

The pics show the difference in the new case (left) and old (right).

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12-05-2007 10:01 PM  10 years agoPost 20
Helinutnz

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I dont know if the new ones are included with the kit yet. I have a 2 month old 600N and it has the old one. I just got the new one and it is beefier around the bearing like your pic. I still reckon most of the problem is in the sleeve and how tight the jesus bolt is. Pulling the one way bearing sleeve out of true locks it up.

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