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11-29-2007 06:35 AM  9 years agoPost 1
DMehalko(DM)

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When is thunder tiget going to release a NEW bird? Not saying that the current models dont fly well but its been the same basic chassis design for over 10 years! Like the New raptor 903d is the same design with some new goodies on it.

When are they going to release a "new" helicopter in the 30-90 class?

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11-29-2007 01:15 PM  9 years agoPost 2
jsenicka

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when will there be a major business reason to do so? The birds sell well. They are a good, solid, maintainable design that in the right hands can keep up with most anything else out there.

What should be changed anyway?

Jim Senicka
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11-29-2007 02:24 PM  9 years agoPost 3
baby_zyklon

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IMHO, raptor used to sell well...not anymore. Newer heli are catching up fast. Agree that raptors are good and solid design, but the design seems to be getting a bit dated, especially for today's powerful engine and hard flying. It was almost maintance free with the r30v2(r30v1 was pretty bad), but when I went to a 50size, the bearings seem to be going south a lot faster. It isn't some catastrophic failure that makes the bird dangerous to fly, but I do feel that the raptor will benefit a lot from some simple changes like more pitch range, larger main shaft bearings and thrust bearings in the tail grip.

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11-29-2007 03:02 PM  9 years agoPost 4
SPB

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TT was leading the market the past 10 years. Their helis are still good and flying well but if TT managers will not realise soon that times are changing I can predict very soon they will live with the memories of their good times.


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11-29-2007 03:29 PM  9 years agoPost 5
Qrrambero

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I do not know for how long you have been flying.
But some times changes aren't good. Raptor is trying to ride its success as long as people buy their product.
Do you remember the Concept Helicopter. Very good heli, but when made the Nexus, all when south.
Of course there are new helis in the market and people are going to try the new product. I used to do that, but I got older and wiser. I am satisfy with my Raptor 50 and 90 SE.
If I crash one of them that to repair it will cost me more money than the kit, I might change for the new helis in the market.

Ae

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11-29-2007 03:51 PM  9 years agoPost 6
baby_zyklon

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I don't fly kyosho, but from what I remember the concept and nexus were two different line of heli that was suppose to co-exist. The concept was the older design, but was designed for aerobatics, whereas the nexus was a newer design, build for beginners.

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11-29-2007 04:11 PM  9 years agoPost 7
4eye

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"Do you remember the Concept Helicopter. Very good heli, but when made the Nexus, all when south."

The Nexus was utter crap. it was not an upgrade to any existing design at all. It deserved it early death. When DMehalko asked about new helis from TT I'm sure he meant improved or newer designed, and not the Nexus route that Kyosho took.

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11-29-2007 04:24 PM  9 years agoPost 8
DS 8717

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Pretty much everybody at our field sold their raptors and got the 600N,the resale value of the raptor has dropped a lot now. There will be the die hard TT fans but it isn't like it used to be for sure.With the new Vibe 50 coming TT will take another hit,yes it is a little more than the Align or raptor but some people want quality and will pay extra for it.

YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED

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11-29-2007 04:26 PM  9 years agoPost 9
SPB

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I also like a lot my 90SE. Actually IMHO it's one of the most fair helicopters out there and I just collect all parts to rebuild her after an almost total loss crash. Exluding the electronics and blades the spare parts for the heli cost me about USD 350 and I needed almost everything.

I should also mention that I upgraded many parts with the new 90 3D but in the 50 size I strongly believe that the 600N is a very strong competitor and TT is already feeling the financial losses in her back.

I am afraid that the same will happen when Align will release the 700 as for the time being Raptor 90 is one of the most capable and cheap helicopters but will happend when the 700 will be released?


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11-30-2007 02:10 AM  9 years agoPost 10
jsenicka

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I am fairly certain that the guys running TT know how to run a business. They watch the competitors and they watch their sales numbers. Without access to that data, it is pretty hard to say "business is falling off" or any other qualitative statement.
So my point here is as long as their business is doing what they need their business to do, I assume it will stay as it is.
There is a pretty huge cost to releasing a new product line to replace an existing product. You disrupt your current pipeline of sales, you orphan a bunch of inventory that you need to write way down, you need to stock your distributors with new stuff, fix bugs, etc.
Before this looks attractive you need to have an actual problem with your current sales that can only be fixed with drastic measures

Jim Senicka
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11-30-2007 03:19 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Billebob

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From a brief look at certain posts in this discussion it's clear some don't like raptors, have a negative mandate with no intention of flying them. That's fine pick your poison, however many of us prefer to fly the established TT line having decent experience with it. Maybe since some think TT's business practices are poor they should either start their own heli business or drop TT a line complaining that their stock options are suffering.

If people whining actually took the time to measure TT parts with a calipar they'd see modern manufacturing tolerances are met very well as with most popular brands. Established lines have both the benefit of loyal users, historical reliability data and in this case more parts availability than Carter has liver pills. If you like change buy something else, who cares what another modeler flys or the product he picks. Many people happily flying Raptors have other helicopter brands and simply select to pick what is best for them as a hacker 50. This has nothing to do with being hard core TT users and is likely due to economics, available support and seeing so many of these machines across the globe flying so well and for so long.

Some of technical types prefer mCCPM to remove all mechanical interaction issues, and some of us don't. Granted today many manufacturers use eCCPM to avoid mechanical design complications requiring careful grey matter use. They sell it to people under the guise of a higher precision sometimes entailing additional costs with reduced parts count.

The Align stuff is a great addition to the market place however paying top dollar for a practice hacker helicopter or to simply maintain one likely may keep the Vibe 50 sales lower than they could be. Changing a complete design that appears to still work very well for the masses to me would be unwise, however the raptor 50 could use some alterations in way of a new main rotor and tail rotor head. The TT gear train is solid and the control system is fine.

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11-30-2007 03:47 PM  9 years agoPost 12
TerranAce007

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I just got a Mini-Titan E-325. Went together very easily and looks like a good quality heli. Haven't gotten the electronics setup yet though, so no flight reports. The Raptor may be an old design, but the new mini-titan is definitely a good heli with several advantages over the T-Rex 450.

I have had my Raptor 50V2 for years now and it has always been a good heli. I lost a servo in my new 600N, so the Raptor has been grounded until I could get a replacement for the servo I borrowed from it, but I am hoping to get it flight ready again soon.

The new Raptor Titan 50 was a step up in design, but I do agree that TT needs something new to compete with all the new 50 kits that are coming out. In addition to the T-Rex 600N, there's the Knight 50 3D and the Pantera 50. Both of those look like solid designs, and although not as popular as align offerings, they are still competition.

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11-30-2007 04:04 PM  9 years agoPost 13
4eye

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I have both the Raptor 50 and 600n. If I was in the market for another it would probably be a pantera or knight. I like diversity!

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12-02-2007 07:56 PM  9 years agoPost 14
legoman67

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if they made a r50 v3 with

1. removable bearing blocks
2 thrust bearings in tail
3. larger main
4. affordable ccpm, CF frames, g-10?
5 Torque tube conversion

it would be the best

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12-02-2007 08:42 PM  9 years agoPost 15
Ben-T-Spindle

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Torque tube conversion
I really don’t understand that request. Then I first starting flying helicopters yours ago most of them had some sort of a shaft or wire drive. Once someone tried a belt drive everyone converted their shaft drive over to belt. I have even seen threads on how to convert a Raptor 60/90 to a belt drive tail.

I have been perfectly happy with a belt drive. Even on my very high powered Raptor E620 it never gives any trouble and olds up well even when I dig the tail rotor into the grass.

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12-02-2007 09:17 PM  9 years agoPost 16
RappyTappy

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Raptors 50's will still hold a place in my heart, and I believe they are in a world of hurt with the advent of the T600N, but then again that heli hasn't been out long so they may be looking at the numbers and figuring 'its time'.

Still a great low budget very low maintenance heli in its own right, but performance wise it just doesn't stack up. Align parts pricing is staggering and takes away what TT strong point, some key items like main shaft, spindle, and booms to name a few, are the same price as TT, but instead you get two. Only problem is the T600N frames pricing seems to kinda make up for the cheaper main crash parts.

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12-03-2007 05:11 PM  9 years agoPost 17
DMehalko(DM)

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Ya maybe my point wasnt crossed, i LOVE the raptor 50's mostly because i've had them for so long and know them front to back without thinking about anything, and also fly excellent.

I was more or less just wondering if TT was planning anything new?

Was not bad mounthing the raptors at all!

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12-03-2007 06:04 PM  9 years agoPost 18
legoman67

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well in our climate i find im alway adjusting the boom for the belt tension.....

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