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11-30-2007 12:52 AM  10 years agoPost 41
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This is kind of thinking that is ruining our country. Why the hell should I have to pay for some drug addicts treatment?
I can think of a reason. If you throw them in jail and don't treat them you can bet your ass when they get out they'll go right back into what they used to do, and end up right back in jail. Where again you will pay to house and feed that person in jail. At least if they try to treat them, and it works for 1 out of 10, or 1 out of 5 prisoners, that's one less person you're paying to house in jail. Paying to try to treat them is certainly less than paying to keep them in jail for another go around.

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11-30-2007 12:58 AM  10 years agoPost 42
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The cost of a bullet is much less......

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11-30-2007 01:00 AM  10 years agoPost 43
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Meth 10
Heroin 9
Crack 8
Coke 5
pain killers 5
LSD/Extacy 4 *non addictive
Alchohol 3
Weed 1 *non addictive

this is total BS and if you believe it you kids if you ever have them will need help as well as you. first off we will start at the bottom WEED is grow and has came a long way since the 60s. is has been cultivated and grown to the point that it is 150% more potent then in the 60s. this weed on the streets is highly addictive and is also causing physical withdraw. extacy is adictive aswell. pain killer are designed to move through the body and right to the brain perkocet oxycotin are far more addictive then street level herion these day and are being used more actively by high schoolers. pain killers are more expensive and are easyer to get then pot. but thing is they become addicted to pain killer then switch to herion cause its cheaper. And Normal people that get injured and resort to pain killer and drs that prescribe dosages for months, when it should be a weekly dosage. Addiction is an illness just as alchoholism is. people become dependent and hooked for many reasons. and with it as easy to get as it is, it becomes a problem very easy very fast.

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11-30-2007 01:12 AM  10 years agoPost 44
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JEEPWORLD your obviously speaking from absolutly no experience at all. 1st off weed is more like 400-500% stronger then the 60's. Second its not addictive at all, i quit cold turkey after 20 years with no withdrawls at all. Second you think percoset is stronger the heroin. Gimme a break. Also are you talking about black tar heroin? Unprocessed mexican trash? Or real powdered heroin? Turn off your after school special and get a clue. You want to know whats wrong with america! This type of thinking. You tell all these kids how bad pot is then they find out its all a lie and propaganda spread thru the pharmacutical company's. And then they don't beleive anything else you say.

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11-30-2007 01:22 AM  10 years agoPost 45
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I can think of a reason. If you throw them in jail and don't treat them you can bet your ass when they get out they'll go right back into what they used to do, and end up right back in jail. Where again you will pay to house and feed that person in jail. At least if they try to treat them, and it works for 1 out of 10, or 1 out of 5 prisoners, that's one less person you're paying to house in jail. Paying to try to treat them is certainly less than paying to keep them in jail for another go around.
If your forced to go through treatment it simply wont work, it barely works for people who want to get clean. If your running a program and the success rate is 1 in 10 its considered a failure and is simply a waste of time and money. I don't know why you settle for such poor results instead of coming up with a system that has a high success rate?

I don't have the answer but yours isn't it and don't come back and say its better then nothing and leave it at that because it basically is nothing with the exception of billions of wasted dollars.

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11-30-2007 01:28 AM  10 years agoPost 46
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Yah treatment is a joke till the person wants treatment. Thats junky rule 1a. But prison is not the answer either. It cost way to much to lock up non violent offenders. I think its like $52,000 a year per inmate. The answer is Education. Like I stated before we need to get the propoganda out of the classroom and quit lying to our children. The only reason drugs are illegal is for political control over the group that used the drug at that time.
Opium was made illegal to arrest the chineese after we were done with them.
LSD was made illegal in the 60's to arrest the hippies and war protesters
Marijauna was made illegal in teh 30's to arrest the mexicans.
ect......
You need to watch "Illegal Drugs and how they got that way" on history channel.

Heres and interesting trivia question that really shows how dangerous pot is.

Who is the only person in written history to overdose, and die from marijuana?
*warning its a trick question.

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11-30-2007 01:38 AM  10 years agoPost 47
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Max, I had one hell of a time stopping my weed addiction. Your right, its not physically addicting but I loved it so much that I could barely break the habit. I was smoking close to an ounce a week, I would buy quarter pounds for my personal use mainly for economic reasons but the hassle of getting a bag every other day got pretty old. Part of it was a mental crutch and the other part was I loved everything about it. Think of it like a food addiction, some people are so in love with food they just can't stop eating. I was the pot version of the 900 pound guy you see on dateline. I finally broke the habit for good about 12 years ago and hardly ever think about it anymore. Most of my old buddies (I'm 39) still smoke and can't stop so I would say there's more to it then you think.

Whats interesting about drugs is every year they keep getting worse and people are hitting bottom or dying from them faster then ever. Look at meth, it makes coke look like child play.

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11-30-2007 01:41 AM  10 years agoPost 48
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If your forced to go through treatment it simply wont work, it barely works for people who want to get clean. If your running a program and the success rate is 1 in 10 its considered a failure and is simply a waste of time and money. I don't know why you settle for such poor results instead of coming up with a system that has a high success rate?
I'm not saying a 1 in 10 is a success. I'm sure you know how much it costs to house a prisoner because that's the arguement you made. What I meant was if treatment works for 1 out of 10 prisoners, the cost to taxpayers that will be saved because that 1 prisoner is now not returning to jail will pay for a treatment program many years over again.

Don't get me wrong. People need to be punished and need to be punished stifly, I really believe that. Just throwing them in a room and keeping it locked for 20 years isn't the answer either. When they get out they're just going to break the law and go right back. That would be a waste of money.

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11-30-2007 01:42 AM  10 years agoPost 49
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Who is the only person in written history to overdose, and die from marijuana?
*warning its a trick question.
Nobody, BUT being a spacecase 99% of the time sitting on the couch playing Sega all day isn't much different.

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11-30-2007 01:52 AM  10 years agoPost 50
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Don't get me wrong. People need to be punished and need to be punished stifly, I really believe that. Just throwing them in a room and keeping it locked for 20 years isn't the answer either. When they get out they're just going to break the law and go right back. That would be a waste of money.
I agree, prison is way to easy for most and in many cases is better then the home they grew up in. I say work the hell out them and make them pay for their stay or at least what you can get out of them. Hard work is one of the best punishment you can have. Hard physical work keeps their minds working in a positive way, sitting idle in a jail cell basically ruins their mind. You've heard the statement, "an idle mind is the devils workshop", its true.

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11-30-2007 02:02 AM  10 years agoPost 51
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I speak from all experence with it all except meth thank you very much.And dont get me wrong I am not proud of it, but I can say I am in recovery and have 4+yrs clean. You can tell yourself that the order in which it falls. All pain killer (opiates) are from opium. so yes pill are made stronger then tar (which is weak )compared to power herion, but is no where near as strong as oxycotin or morphine. I live in phily and its the purest around out side of afganastan. Ask any doper. But I am not going to argue.

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11-30-2007 02:09 AM  10 years agoPost 52
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this weed on the streets is highly addictive and is also causing physical withdraw
Dude, I want some of you were smoking. Weed is not addictive now matter how potent it is. You may want it, but your body won't crave it.

Texas just lowered their laws. You can now have up an oz of weed I believe and only get a ticket. Unless your caught selling that is.

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11-30-2007 03:05 AM  10 years agoPost 53
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If its not addictive then why is it that so many cannot stop using it? A physical addiction is only the half of it.

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11-30-2007 03:11 AM  10 years agoPost 54
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Answer to the trivia question was
Bruce Lee - But he did not overdose, he had an allergic reaction.

Your absolutly crazy to think Morphine is stronger then Heroin. I right now am prescribed MS Contin. And it is no where close to anything like heroin. And MS Contin is 3 times stronger then plain old MS(morphine sulfate) As for herb I smoked about a z a week too at $300-$450 a z. Depending on the strain. Yah I was pissy when I quit but nothing physical.

Back in the day 4oz and under was a misdemenor in texas.

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11-30-2007 03:24 AM  10 years agoPost 55
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You guys that did drugs should have been jailed for 20 years or even better executed. You were all probably not contributing to society, continuously committing crimes, and nobody believes that you have now gone straight. There's no way you could be reformed productive citizens, you're scum and deserve to be dead. Where did you steal your helis and the computer you're using right now?

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11-30-2007 03:28 AM  10 years agoPost 56
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That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Lungs transformed to take in water.

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11-30-2007 03:35 AM  10 years agoPost 57
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WTF!! you are going to sit there and say because I smoke the herb, I should be killed? F you. During my 5 yrs of smoking, I went from a simple welding job to lead installer for a telecomunications company, then went on to work directly for the manufacturer of the PBX system I installed. I've never stolen anything more than a grape from the produce while shopping. I worked my a$$ off and earned everything I own. I relax with a J at the end of a day, so what. I contibute far more to society than most non users I know.

I sure hope you were kidding

I will agree, you can't say maryJ isn't addictive. A very small percentage of users can have withdrwl symptoms, the worst being insomnia. Far better than the effect of alcohol. Couple that with the fact that its virtually impossible to overdose, IMHO makes it by far the safest "drug" there is.

I also agree, sellers of coke any anything higher need to be jailed harshly.

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11-30-2007 04:00 AM  10 years agoPost 58
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I think that was Spogs attempt at humor.

I say pot is addictive because so many people I know can't quit.

Prison isn't the answer for users however I do believe a weekend in jail would help a lot of casual users get the kick in the ass they need to put down the pipe. You here about jail and see pictures on TV but until you spent a few night there you really don't understand that its a place you don't want to be. Think of it as a wake up call.

So that leaves the question, what do you do with the user's that get caught? I say the court should give you a taste of jail with the intention of a wake up call and slap a HUGE fine on them and call it good.

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11-30-2007 05:37 AM  10 years agoPost 59
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You guys that did drugs should have been jailed for 20 years or even better executed. You were all probably not contributing to society, continuously committing crimes, and nobody believes that you have now gone straight. There's no way you could be reformed productive citizens, you're scum and deserve to be dead. Where did you steal your helis and the computer you're using right now?
As crazy as it sounds, some people actually feel that way about drug users. I was a pot head and an alcoholic when I was younger.

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11-30-2007 02:19 PM  10 years agoPost 60
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I think addiction affects each individual differently, for some folks it is harder to give up the green sticky than it is for others. I wouldn't say it isn't addictive by any means though once you get over the psychological aspect of wanting it your fine. You aren't going to see someone with the sickness from it.

One item that isn't on this list....F You Marlboro!

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