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11-30-2007 12:03 AM  9 years agoPost 21
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no but fred thompson is, remember him? he is on one of those law and order shows, next you will see paul reubens on there!

Smile! people will wonder what you're up to!!

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11-30-2007 03:42 AM  9 years agoPost 22
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Ron Paul for president, what about Ron Lund, he knows all about great public service!

In all seriousness, RP seems like a bit of a flake, untill you see his voting record. Anyone that has a *proven* record of reducing government spending gets my vote.

I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.

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11-30-2007 04:12 AM  9 years agoPost 23
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While I like a lot of what he says...Some of it is not realistic.
He really does want to move to isolationism and that is just not possible in todays age. I like his view on letting the states decide, controlling the deficit, ect.

But he is unelectable in todays age IMO. He comes across as combative and that is going to burn all kinds of bridges. Some of his rants border on the extreme.

Frankly, I don't really love like any of the Reb choices...Huckabee impressed me except for his giving illegals the right to win state college scholarships...I hope what he said was true that they could only get them if they were working on becoming citizens. And his "fair tax"...Well I don't like it. A flat rate tax would be easier to implement and would tax on earnings, not on what is spent.

I like McCain...always have.
Giuliani is probably going to be the candidate though.

For the Dems...Biden seems OK. I like how he answered questions, not BS'ed around during the Dem debates. I hated his answer about pay for performance....He said that teachers should get paid based on what qualifications they have...He used his wife as an example...I think they should get paid on how they do, not what they have done.

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11-30-2007 04:26 AM  9 years agoPost 24
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fwiw...

I wish I could warm up to McCain....If he wasn't off the reservation on immigration, I think he might not be a bad choice...The border is a deal breaker...Amnesty is an absolute non-starter...

B.C.

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11-30-2007 04:56 AM  9 years agoPost 25
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Well Ron: If you like the status quo. Might as well cancel the coming elections and keep the Decider. More of the same is not going to save this nation.
May as well accept the Nau, and forget the US, as we have known it.
Freedom is history now, and only going to get worse under the existing power structure.
Seems like anyone who goes against the grain of the power elite in America today is labeled a CT or worse.
Big business rules, and thats the rule.
When we have the likes of Blackwater security, training our local police forces in guerilla tactics to use on the populace, all of our civil liberties being placed on hold, talk of Martial Law in America, I think its time for some serious change, and it better be done quick, or we as a nation of free men, can hang it up.
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT.

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11-30-2007 05:01 AM  9 years agoPost 26
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What we really need is a congressional system like this. One year they pass laws, the next they revoke them. Thats right, NO new laws for a year!! Go to Wikipedia and look at the constitutions of Texas and Alabama. One state rich (Texas) and the other poor(Alabama) (actually study the women there too, GOOOD LAWD!!!!!!!!!!! God blessed Texas. ) Anyway, it pits the longest constitutions against each other, the once with the most control, Bama, is one of the poorest, while Texas is one of the richest. We need people in government that get goverment out of the people!

I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.

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11-30-2007 05:23 AM  9 years agoPost 27
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Not sure how you pull that one out, there is barely $3K difference in median income between Texas and Alabama. And Texas is no where near being one of the richest states. And not really sure how state constitutions play into how much people make..

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/inco...zeandstate.html

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11-30-2007 05:26 AM  9 years agoPost 28
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What needs to happen in 08, is a complete revolt at the polls. Dump every damned incumbent on the tickets and don't vote for the party favorite, who is already owned by big business. Put in brand new people , that give a ****. What we have now is nothing but bought and paid for professional politicians. Witness the oil prices under oil man GWB.Payback time. Oil put him in and oil is getting paid back. Screw America, seems to be the national theme of big business. Ship all of our jobs offshore, reap the big profits off the suckers in the States and piss on em if they don't like it.
Not my America. As soon as the nation gets some backbone, things will change,. Long as we play the silly political game, it will continue.
Dollar is sinking like a rock in fresh water and its all part of a plan, no viable government allows this crap to just happen.
40 years ago, an oil company pulling this false shortage crap would be under government sactions and put under price controls. Not today, the good old boy network is functioning just as planned.
Witness what happened to steel. Got out of line, and got put back in line. And that was under Eisenhower. He cared for this nation.
Everyone needs to look up Dwight Eisenhowers' farewell speech, concerning the "Military/Industrial Complex"
I was a kid then, and it rang some kind of bell, but didn't really touch me back then, I now understand what he was talking about.
John Kennedy got a taste of it, for wanting to get us out of Vietnam. You don't believe it, take a tour of history from the 50s' to present day. Reads like a book of todays events.
Don't matter what party wins the election, todays power structure backs both parties and they win, regardless. Hillary , Julie Annie, McCain, Obama, they are all bought and paid for, and will continue the present program.
Bush and company is raping the treasury, driving the dollar into extenction, and working to get the NAU in place, followed by the New World Order, and its coming way to fast for this old guy.
Turn em all out, or suffer the consequences.
Here is Ikes speech:http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm

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11-30-2007 06:00 AM  9 years agoPost 29
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Well Ron: If you like the status quo. Might as well cancel the coming elections and keep the Decider
You know, I don't know where you get your ideas...Not liking Ron Paul as *the choice* does not mean any of the crap you just claimed I supported. If you had bothered to READ what I wrote instead of just going off, you would have seen that I like several of the things about him.

I just think he has no chance of being the canidate that can be elected. Try reading what people write, instead of just looking to start a fight.

The worst thing we could have happen is him spin off and run as an independant. That would ensure Hillary the win just like it did for Bill when Perot did it.

What needs to happen is term limits on the House and Senate. End the era of the guys going inside the beltway and staying there for life...8 years max and you are done for everyone not just the President.

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11-30-2007 06:18 AM  9 years agoPost 30
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Ron: If you have been watching the debates you should have heard him state for a fact that switching is not an option. He is a republican.
He also has not come off to me a combative , on any occasion. I would hate to think that I had to get my point across in 60 seconds or less,with all the in the click, bought and paid for guys , steady hacking on my ass.
Ron Paul is the only one , on any stage with the balls to tell it like it is.
America has been lead down the wrong path by the current and past administrations and I think he is our only hope.
Also, if you notice, he is always shorted on time. Last night, he got only 2/3 rds' to the other guys and they were still trying to cut him off.
CNN poll this morning, he had 39%, which was the top number.
Don't sell him short.
This nation is ready for a change of course and I think he is it, if he survives.

Here is CNNs' own poll figures for last night:
http://infowars.net/articles/novemb...91107Storms.htm
Not bad for a combative old guy , without a chance.

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11-30-2007 08:52 AM  9 years agoPost 31
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Ron: If you have been watching the debates you should have heard him state for a fact that switching is not an option. He is a republican.
1988: Ran as the Libertarian Party's candidate for president.
The youtube question asked of him was asking him to run anyway even if he does not win the republican nomination. At the Republican debate, trying to win the Republican nomination you think he would say anything else? That would have been suicide.
CNN poll this morning, he had 39%, which was the top number.
This shows him with 2%
Registered Republicans' choice for nominee in 2008:
Paul 2%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/ca...s/ron.paul.html
Right on message for his enthusiastic core supporters on issues of national security, Iraq, and government spending. But bragged too much about his fundraising and did nothing to expand his reach.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2...1688901,00.html
He was given a C-. His core group are grass roots internet types. Almost any internet debate is going to look good for him just like Obama's numbers are better on the internet that Hillary's. But the internet includes people who are not registered to vote as republicans...We are talking about the republican nomination, not the people on the internet, or the people who are registered lib's.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/youtube.debate.112807/

4. Who had the most disappointing performance at the debate?
Paul didn't wow the crowd the way he sometimes does. Thompson was the most surprising; seems like he was lost without his cue cards. Paul just does not come off convincing or presidential

5. Whose performance was most surprising?
Thompson showed his sense of humor with his video and response to the Cheney cartoon. Paul came off very direct and clear. He is the most extreme candidate on stage but seemed quite reasonable. I was surprised Giuliani went so strongly after Romney in the opening on immigration

6. Whose campaign got the biggest boost from the debate?
Maybe Huckabee, who showed his easy demeanor and sense of humor It seems like Paul and Huckabee stood out the most.Romney, no doubt
Some comments from blogs:
http://www.volokh.com/

He's just terrible, even when -- which is often, once he's off the subject of the war -- I agree with him. His voice is too high, he can't remember who the Kurds are, and he often comes off like a crazy old man in a bus station.

But that's good news, in a way. Paul's doing better than anyone expected. It's abundantly clear that he's not doing it on charisma and rhetorical skill. Which means that libertarian ideas are actually appealing, since Ron Paul isn't. Paul's flaws as a vessel for those ideas prove the ideas' appeal. If they sell with him as the pitchman, they must be really resonating. I suspect Paul himself would agree with this analysis. Er, except maybe the bus station part.
Ron Paul is the only one , on any stage with the balls to tell it like it is.
I can't disagree with that. But that is one of the things that makes him look...Well combative.

You keep acting like I don't like the guy. I like a lot about what he stands for...I agree that we should modify the Constitution so that if your Mom sneaks in so you are born here you are not automaticly a citizen....I AGREE with a lot of what he says...But I don't agree that he has a chance of being the Republican canidate...And against the swarmy Hillary, he will look like the crazy old man.

If he backs out of what he said and runs....And remember this is the guy that didn't want to give freedom medals to the Pope and Rosa Parks since tax dollars would have paid for them. He will split the republican party and hand the election to the Dems.

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11-30-2007 02:08 PM  9 years agoPost 32
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i think a lot of people confuse Ron Paul's stance on "decreasing American Imperialism" with isolationism...

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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11-30-2007 03:43 PM  9 years agoPost 33
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If you search out things that Ron Paul have said it is pretty clear his foreign policy is isolationist. Some people complain about how low the worlds opinion of the US is, pull the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and sit back and watch while chaos ensues and Al Quaeda are blowing themselves up all over the place and see how that changes their opinion of us. Not that i care one way or the other, just trying to illustrate a point that his rationale for his stance on foreign policy issues is misguided and naive.

And as long as Paul has been in politics, given your opinion of the world what makes you think he is any different? He could be just giving you lip service like all politicians do.

And I have noticed listening to talk radio that all Paulies are that way. If you arent smart enough to support him then you have an agenda against him. And they wonder why people are turned off to him, being lambasted by a bunch of combative, pot smoking punks that probably dont vote anyway.

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11-30-2007 04:54 PM  9 years agoPost 34
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And as long as Paul has been in politics, given your opinion of the world what makes you think he is any different? He could be just giving you lip service like all politicians do.
What we do know is what he says and does is distinctly diferent from most others. Whatever his motives, he is not another partisan clone. Thats important to me because things tend to go badly when there is too much agreement.

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12-01-2007 01:32 AM  9 years agoPost 35
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And: The Wall Street Journal says:http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/...ublican-debate/
Not bad,not bad at all.

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12-02-2007 02:09 AM  9 years agoPost 36
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ttt

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12-02-2007 02:15 AM  9 years agoPost 37
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LOL! You really expect us to believe that poll isnt skewed because of the Paulies. They have the internet poll thing down, that doesnt mean that many people support him.

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12-02-2007 02:16 AM  9 years agoPost 38
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well after reading the results and profiles of all other cadidates, democrats included, paul seems like a good choice, shame the feds raided that place in evansville and iowa for selling the rp dollars, that was totally uncalled for and totally illegal on the feds and irs's part; why haven't they raided the casinos and disney land yet? they sell basically the same thing! i have a casino coin here, unspendable anywhere but in the casino whereas it came from but yet it's still one ounce of silver which makes it monetarily valued.
as far as i know no one has tried to use a rp dollar for monetary purposes but if a town or state accepts them then it's a state level decision and not the feds, remember this the federal reserve is not part of our govt. and neither is the irs!

Smile! people will wonder what you're up to!!

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12-02-2007 02:23 AM  9 years agoPost 39
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And: The Wall Street Journal says
Funny, the WSJ shows Rudy with 33% and Ron Paul with only 4%.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resour...demographic=sex

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12-02-2007 02:27 AM  9 years agoPost 40
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Where do you get your reading material , Ron,. ??????????

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